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shira

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Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:58 AM Sep 2014

Naomi Wolf’s Embrace of Hamas Spells the Fall of a Feminist Icon [View all]

Boteach's political views are rightwing conservative, but he nails it on this one. I'm posting this because IMHO Wolf's warped, hypocritical views are typical throughout the anti-zionist movement.

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...The first red flag is that despite Naomi being a world-renowned feminist, she at times seems to betray her own beliefs. In 2008 she wrote an article lauding the dress code for women in the Muslim world. She starts by describing “a woman swathed in black to her ankles, wearing a headscarf or a full chador walks down a European or North American street, surrounded by other women in halter tops, miniskirts and short shorts.” She continues that while traveling in Morocco, Jordan and Egypt, she came to the conclusion that, “The West interprets veiling as repression of women and suppression of their sexuality. But when I traveled in Muslim countries and was invited to join a discussion in women-only settings within Muslim homes, I learned that Muslim attitudes toward women’s appearance and sexuality are not rooted in repression but in a strong sense of public versus private.” Now I am all for extolling the virtues of women who choose to dress modestly but only when it is the product of choice and not coercion. But in many countries, such as Iran, women face prosecution for dressing immodestly and in countries like Afghanistan they face violent reprisals. Naomi also omits mention of the approximately 100 million Muslim women who have experienced some form of female genital mutilation. Feminist author Phyllis Chesler, who herself lived in Afghanistan as a virtual slave in her marriage, responded to Naomi’s palliating and glaring omissions. She wrote, “Most Muslim girls and women are not given a choice about wearing the chador, burqa, abaya, niqab, jilbab, or hijab (headscarf), and those who resist are beaten, threatened with death, arrested, caned or lashed, jailed, or honor-murdered by their own families.” Chesler asked if Naomi was so “thoroughly unfamiliar with the news coming out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan on these very subjects.” Naomi adds a small caveat at the end of her whitewash that says choice is important when it comes to dressing modesty. But this does nothing to correct the damage caused by her failure to call out and condemn the oppressive Middle Eastern cultural norms that many women endure on a daily basis.

Naomi has no issue in falsely condemning Israel for genocidal mass murder while simultaneously acting as an apologist for the suffering of far too many women at the hands of radical Islamists. While she has the strongest distrust of every statement stemming from Israeli leaders, Naomi seems only too ready to believe almost anything coming from the mouth of Hamas terror leader Khaled Meshaal. With regards to the interview that Meshaal gave to Charlie Rose, she wrote on July 29, “Reposting. This interview seems reasonable. But in the U.S. it is being spun as ‘Hamas leaders says he will never coexist with Israel.’ That is not exactly what he said…he said the occupation must end then Palestine can decide as a sovereign nation what its relationship to Israel shall be. Which is, as I understand it, how the law of nations works?…” Naomi manages to somehow miss the dozens of recent videos in which Hamas leaders, including Meshaal, call for the total annihilation of Israel and the genocide of all its Jews. In regard to another Meshaal interview she writes, “Elias Eskander says that this interview shows Hamas asking for ‘67 borders not to wipe out Israel….Take that Fox news!” She writes this even while the official Hamas charter continues to call for the murder of every Jew in every country on the face of the earth. Naomi repeatedly questions what solid evidence exists that the tunnels leading into Israel were actually meant to be used to murder and kidnap civilians. I assume she thinks they were perhaps built as a kind of Cony Island Tunnel of Love. She ignores the thousand of rockets fired into Israel by Hamas, whose only intention is the mass murder of her own people. Her dedication to defending Hamas seems something of an irrational addiction. In one post she defends Hamas by condemning people who “repeat the uncritical allegations of the IDF that Hamas is “hiding” among civilians. Where else the f– are they supposed to go NOT to ‘hide”? Gaza is all civilian! There is no battlefield!” This astonishing comment demonstrates not only a total ignorance of Gaza topography but justifies Hamas using schools for weapons caches and infirmaries and hospitals to fire rockets. It would also deny Israel the right to defend itself so long as Hamas terrorists reside among civilians.

But not content to demonize Israel, Naomi is so enmeshed with conspiracy theories that she even questions whether ISIS is a true dander. Last Saturday she posted, “And I am very sorry to report that Obama has put together a coalition of nine money-grubbing War Inc oligarchs, sorry, allied nations, to hunt ISIS creating pretext for all kinds of metanational heavy breathing mayhem.” One can only assume that by “creating pretext” she is referring to the thousands of innocent Arabs that ISIS has shot in the heads and crucified. It seems that if Arabs murder other Arabs Naomi has no real objection, just as long as they are not Palestinian terrorists killed by Israel. While Christians, Muslims, Yazidis, and Americans are beheaded by ISIS, Naomi chooses to leisurely ponder and philosophize the merits of her skepticism on how bad ISIS truly is. Perhaps she should talk to one of the thousands of young Arab girls who have been sold into sexual slavery by ISIS to determine if this constitutes the kind of evil to which a renowned feminist ought to object.

[font color = "red"]An analysis of Naomi’s views demonstrate an irreconcilable contradiction between her feminist, humanitarian side and the radical left wing propaganda she has so thoroughly embraced. Naomi’s decision to side with the latter has not only contributed to her trivializing genocide. Sadly, it has utterly undermined her credentials as a champion of women the world so sorely needs.
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When did "embrace of Hamas" become synonymous with "not sufficiently Islamophobic"? DanTex Sep 2014 #1
Let's start with the first point Wolf made. Veiling of women isn't repression.... shira Sep 2014 #3
Umm, no, let's start with the title of the OP: "Naomi Wolf's embrace of Hamas". DanTex Sep 2014 #9
Fine. Naomi Wolf goes out of her way to defend Hamas war crimes... shira Sep 2014 #13
She's responding to the common excuse given for Israeli war crimes. I'm sure you've heard it before. DanTex Sep 2014 #17
And that "excuse" is a fact that Hamas defenders deny or defend. shira Sep 2014 #22
Progressive's shouldn't defend any war crimes, be they Israeli or Hamas. DanTex Sep 2014 #26
But Wolf does, and that's the point. shira Sep 2014 #30
Again, she's responding to an excuse that Israel makes for war crimes. DanTex Sep 2014 #38
She's not defending war crimes? What Hamas is doing.... shira Sep 2014 #41
She's talking about the excuse that Israel makes for its war crimes: "they're all human shields". DanTex Sep 2014 #55
LOL @ your ridiculous attempts to defend the indefensible. We're done. n/t shira Sep 2014 #58
OK. And I'll LOL at the fact that you fall flat when you can't put words in other people's mouths. DanTex Sep 2014 #60
Okay, so riddle me this one: Here's an Indian camera crew.... shira Sep 2014 #65
I believe that Hamas commits war crime. I also believe that Israel commits war crimes. DanTex Sep 2014 #68
Okay, but I asked you about this specifically. This video shows human shielding.... shira Sep 2014 #69
Okay, and that is damn right. Aerows Sep 2014 #74
Read my comment from the OP. It's not as much about Naomi Wolf as it is.... shira Sep 2014 #79
It's about slander. Aerows Sep 2014 #80
Wolf defended Hamas fascists committing clear war crimes... shira Sep 2014 #82
FAILURE. n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #83
Why is it so difficult to acknowledge & condemn Hamas war crimes? n/t shira Sep 2014 #84
Probably less difficult Aerows Sep 2014 #85
In my opinion, that video shows a war crime. DanTex Sep 2014 #86
THANK YOU for acknowledging Hamas war crimes. shira Sep 2014 #101
By following Israeli propaganda you, personally, are justifying war crimes intaglio Sep 2014 #90
Nope, thats not true at all, King_David Sep 2014 #95
Do you think this article is a fair assessment of Naomi Wolf's positions Aerows Sep 2014 #96
Do u think it was fair of Wolf to accuse Israel of genocide.... shira Sep 2014 #105
Radical left wing propaganda chervilant Sep 2014 #110
Would you say it is OK to murder the relatives of a murderer? intaglio Sep 2014 #99
No that's also not true King_David Sep 2014 #109
Erm, It isn't an insult intaglio Sep 2014 #115
Quote from wherever you want, King_David Sep 2014 #116
So you deny the very great heritage of literature and quotation intaglio Sep 2014 #117
Jewish ethnic heritage and culture King_David Sep 2014 #118
So you deny the Tanakh and its importance to Judaism and Israel intaglio Sep 2014 #119
"that this depicts you as ignorant." King_David Sep 2014 #120
It has nothing whatsoever to do with religion intaglio Sep 2014 #121
One thing you have is fantastic insight into yourself . King_David Sep 2014 #128
So no answers only more ignorance. intaglio Sep 2014 #135
Terrific self insight King_David Sep 2014 #137
So let me get this right... King_David Sep 2014 #140
Well obviously I'll have to educate you - It is spelt DIASPORA intaglio Sep 2014 #142
I was brought up in this culture , King_David Sep 2014 #143
Unlike you I have done some reading and followed the history intaglio Sep 2014 #144
So you read a book about Golah Jewish King_David Sep 2014 #146
I have read many books on many subjects intaglio Sep 2014 #148
Not sure who your "arguing" with King_David Sep 2014 #149
My argument is with you and your tortured attempts to belittle anyone opposed to you intaglio Sep 2014 #150
You are 100% correct King_David Sep 2014 #151
You realize the IDF never fired upon that particular location, right? shira Sep 2014 #102
I did not say it did at that time intaglio Sep 2014 #106
Are you capable of acknowledging Hamas war crimes & condemning them? shira Sep 2014 #108
Try reading for comprehension intaglio Sep 2014 #112
Okay, but I asked you about the video. It shows human shielding.... shira Sep 2014 #122
Only in the most general sense, it shows missiles being prepared and fired from waste ground intaglio Sep 2014 #124
So that video does NOT show human shielding by Hamas...? shira Sep 2014 #126
I - did - not - say - that intaglio Sep 2014 #133
Not strong acknowledgement or condemnation there.... shira Sep 2014 #136
So I gather from this that condemnation is not enough only "strong" condemnation intaglio Sep 2014 #138
I don't have a problem calling things as I see them, but you do.... shira Sep 2014 #139
I have condemned you have not - simple intaglio Sep 2014 #141
You defended Hamas war crimes, stating they're not such a big deal... shira Sep 2014 #145
I still condemned - unlike you intaglio Sep 2014 #147
Kahan recommended Sharon be dismissed as Defense Minister shira Sep 2014 #153
He recommended Sharon be dismissed from Government intaglio Sep 2014 #154
And I condemned Sharon and Begin for not following the Supreme Court... shira Sep 2014 #155
Back at you Cartoonist Sep 2014 #89
You don't agree that Hamas are fascists? n/t shira Sep 2014 #107
No Cartoonist Sep 2014 #111
Hamas meets all the criteria for being a fascist organization. n/t shira Sep 2014 #113
If you say so Cartoonist Sep 2014 #114
once again any criticism MFM008 Sep 2014 #77
i'm disgusted with naomi wolf samsingh Sep 2014 #93
Same old either/or argument. Aerows Sep 2014 #25
And it is a disease that infects too much of DU these days, regardless of the topic. arcane1 Sep 2014 #34
You can't comment on a thread Aerows Sep 2014 #37
At this point, I'm an irrational lover and hater of pretty much everything. Sometimes both! arcane1 Sep 2014 #39
Right there with you, my friend! Aerows Sep 2014 #40
veiling of women is control over them and to make them nonpeople samsingh Sep 2014 #92
Wolf says she wrote about Muslim clitorectomy. Okay, where? n/t shira Sep 2014 #5
LOL. You think she's lying? And you trust the right-winger who says she didn't? DanTex Sep 2014 #8
I tried looking it up and couldn't find it. Shouldn't be THAT hard. n/t shira Sep 2014 #11
She's written 9 books. Have fun reading them. I'll take her word over the right-winger from the OP DanTex Sep 2014 #16
Yeah, nothing online. No quotes of her about that. Nothing. shira Sep 2014 #20
Obviously, you and your right-wing buddy have searched the entire internet. DanTex Sep 2014 #27
It's telling when an outspoken feminist's condemnation of FGM.... shira Sep 2014 #42
Keep walking backwards... you're a pretty long way from the OP. DanTex Sep 2014 #45
If u say so, but she hasn't said shit about FGM in Islamic societies... shira Sep 2014 #53
I say so and I'm right. And, yes, she has. DanTex Sep 2014 #57
How about you read her book Alittleliberal Sep 2014 #94
I notice your change in terms from FGM to clitorectomy why is that azurnoir Sep 2014 #18
Can't find either term. She railed about forced clitorectomies in the UK.... shira Sep 2014 #21
But you claimed nothing at all azurnoir Sep 2014 #23
Yeah, nothing at all about FGM or clitorectomies throughout the mideast. n/t shira Sep 2014 #28
Oh so it must be in the ME I see is that a special type of FGM or what? azurnoir Sep 2014 #36
In Africa, it's mostly happening within Islamic societies. Nothing about that either.... shira Sep 2014 #43
apparently you've never known any Eritrean women who are Christian I take it ? azurnoir Sep 2014 #46
seeing as how you seem very concerned with feminist values you should post this in HoF n/t azurnoir Sep 2014 #2
Because when I want to know about feminist liberals, I ask a misogynist right-winger. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #4
Well supporting Hamas is a bit weird for a feminist, King_David Sep 2014 #6
Good thing she hasn't done that, then. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #10
She has most assuredly not Aerows Sep 2014 #97
So since no one supports or stands for Hamas, how does one explain Wolf's defense.... shira Sep 2014 #103
Since when is defending Hamas feminist, liberal, or progressive? n/t shira Sep 2014 #7
Boteach doesn't support his own thesis, Shira Scootaloo Sep 2014 #12
Boteach quoted Wolf defending Hamas war crimes like human shielding shira Sep 2014 #14
If you use an exceptionally loose definition of "defense" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #15
So we agree Wolf is defending Hamas fascists.... shira Sep 2014 #19
almost as loosely as the term Human Shield is used azurnoir Sep 2014 #24
Still denying Hamas human shielding, despite all the recent reports? n/t shira Sep 2014 #44
Not despite but because of the reports which show no actual Human Shielding except in the azurnoir Sep 2014 #47
Here's 1 example on video, from an Indian crew reporting from Gaza.... shira Sep 2014 #49
already saw it as it was used to attempt to justify knowingly bombing civilians azurnoir Sep 2014 #52
That's evidence of human shielding, a war crime. You deny.... shira Sep 2014 #56
I'm denying nothing as you see IDF bombs despite this knowing azurnoir Sep 2014 #61
You are denying that the missile battery in-between the hotel buildings.... shira Sep 2014 #64
No I am not denying anything if there were indeed war crimes they were commited by both sides azurnoir Sep 2014 #71
LOL. I commend u for your consistency. n/t shira Sep 2014 #73
Good as well you should as opposed to making false allegations about what I said azurnoir Sep 2014 #75
If Naomi Wolff hasn't *expressly* stated Aerows Sep 2014 #29
Wolf defended Hamas war crimes like human shielding within civilian populations shira Sep 2014 #31
Where is your denunciation of the lack of international efforts Aerows Sep 2014 #32
If I defended people trying to spread the Ebola virus, you'd be onto something.... shira Sep 2014 #33
I'm waiting for evidence. Aerows Sep 2014 #35
Here she is from facebook defending Hamas war crimes shira Sep 2014 #48
Was that supposed to be evidence for Aerows Sep 2014 #50
"Where else.... shira Sep 2014 #51
Uh, my question remains. Aerows Sep 2014 #54
That's an argument for. She defends Hamas by excusing their strategy.... shira Sep 2014 #59
If you say so. Aerows Sep 2014 #62
Here's a video of Hamas firing missiles among apartment/hotel buildings... shira Sep 2014 #63
I think that approaching any argument Aerows Sep 2014 #66
You don't see human shielding, a war crime in that video? n/t shira Sep 2014 #67
Let me ask you a question. Aerows Sep 2014 #70
Why is it so difficult to admit what you're clearly seeing in that video? shira Sep 2014 #72
You've arrived at the correct conclusion Aerows Sep 2014 #76
Shira how are Palestinian civilians Human Shields if Israel bombs anyway knowing as I pointed out azurnoir Sep 2014 #78
Those rockets in-between apartment/hotel buildings is not a war-crime..... shira Sep 2014 #81
shira show us exactly where I said those words azurnoir Sep 2014 #87
"If" there were war crimes? That video doesn't show a war crime? n/t shira Sep 2014 #104
when one has to paraphrase as supposed proof that could be indicative of azurnoir Sep 2014 #123
Huh? Simple question... shira Sep 2014 #125
simple question does Israel bomb regardless? why yes it does azurnoir Sep 2014 #127
Again, True or False? I'll gladly answer you once you answer me. n/t shira Sep 2014 #129
don't wish to answer do you? I understand and you already got your answer azurnoir Sep 2014 #131
You're still denying human shields. shira Sep 2014 #132
I'm pointing out how cynical the usage of the term is in the case of the Gaza conflict azurnoir Sep 2014 #134
For anyone interested, here's her response LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #88
The difference is that she is speaking in her OWN words Aerows Sep 2014 #91
And here is the response to the response oberliner Sep 2014 #100
It's nice to know that I'm not alone in being a bit crazy. grossproffit Sep 2014 #152
Our Global community Aerows Sep 2014 #98
I like her ann--- Sep 2014 #130
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