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In reply to the discussion: The Global March to Jerusalem, a brave and admirable attempt to awaken the world’s conscience [View all]pelsar
(12,283 posts)209. i guess you didn't know anything about it?.....
If you don't identify them, I have no reason to believe that they actually existed.
if you don't know anything about them, then i would suggest that you also know very little about the differences between intifada I and intifada II and why one succeeded and the second one failed.....
in fact why don't you write out for me the differences, and if you don't know, you can feel free to ask...think of it as a test, a test of your knowledge and a test of your "claim to have an open mind."
start with Nasser-easiest to find
When Nasser Juma says Yasser Arafat led his people to "disaster" in the last years of his life, he speaks with authority....the Palestinian leadership under Arafat was folly
http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=9178&CategoryId=5
And here's the part of reality YOU are forgetting...even if Arafat was kept OUT of Palestine, the PLO itself was still there and its cooperation was still going to be needed
I'm not forgetting it, I'm just letting your recognize that your support for Arafat and others was creating the foundation for a disaster, to use Nassers words. Whether or not he could have been kept out or not, was a Palestinian and "world" decision, not an israeli one. And whether or not it was possible is even questionable....however his means of governing based on corruption was ignored by many (including you i suspect).
You might note where as Nasser blames israel for much, he put the most blame upon arafat/PLO/Hamas for stupid and failed policies (and nothing, nada, zilch about arafat being "disrespected by israel" ......its called taking responsibility for ones actions, and understanding their are consequences for them
you, on the other hand, disrespect the Palestinians and look down upon them as unlike Palestinians like Nasser, you believe there are helpless victims....who knows the Palestinians better? you or Nasser?
if you don't know anything about them, then i would suggest that you also know very little about the differences between intifada I and intifada II and why one succeeded and the second one failed.....
in fact why don't you write out for me the differences, and if you don't know, you can feel free to ask...think of it as a test, a test of your knowledge and a test of your "claim to have an open mind."
start with Nasser-easiest to find
When Nasser Juma says Yasser Arafat led his people to "disaster" in the last years of his life, he speaks with authority....the Palestinian leadership under Arafat was folly
http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=9178&CategoryId=5
And here's the part of reality YOU are forgetting...even if Arafat was kept OUT of Palestine, the PLO itself was still there and its cooperation was still going to be needed
I'm not forgetting it, I'm just letting your recognize that your support for Arafat and others was creating the foundation for a disaster, to use Nassers words. Whether or not he could have been kept out or not, was a Palestinian and "world" decision, not an israeli one. And whether or not it was possible is even questionable....however his means of governing based on corruption was ignored by many (including you i suspect).
You might note where as Nasser blames israel for much, he put the most blame upon arafat/PLO/Hamas for stupid and failed policies (and nothing, nada, zilch about arafat being "disrespected by israel" ......its called taking responsibility for ones actions, and understanding their are consequences for them
you, on the other hand, disrespect the Palestinians and look down upon them as unlike Palestinians like Nasser, you believe there are helpless victims....who knows the Palestinians better? you or Nasser?
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The Global March to Jerusalem, a brave and admirable attempt to awaken the world’s conscience [View all]
Scurrilous
Mar 2012
OP
Things must be boring lately if a march has to be built up into an attack on Israel itself...
Violet_Crumble
Mar 2012
#14
Several rally participants expressed anger over the presence of Neturei Karta members, and a verbal
King_David
Mar 2012
#8
‘2-million-strong march to Jerusalem’ fizzles; anti-Zionist rabbis beaten at Jordan protest
shira
Mar 2012
#13
No, the ones who BEAT the rabbis don't represent the true spirit of the march
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#26
You assume that those results are the only possible outcome to self-determination
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#51
Civil rights are still a relevant issue. What happened in Gaza doesn't change that.
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#58
who is "we" shira? as in "How are we wrong?" and more over what is that "we" are after?
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#68
depends on your sources and what they say so no deal I do not agree to anything blindly
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#103
Lol knew said so in the first post after your 'challange' but I hardly backed down did I?
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#110
i don't say you don't care...but you care first and foremost for a govt based on race....
pelsar
Apr 2012
#79
you are actually not just calling the Palestinians modern day Nazi's your accusing them of
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#81
Stop blaming other people for what you post. YOU called Palestinians Nazis...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#94
I don't care what you think of anyone else's post. I'm talking about YOUR post...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#106
the standard in this forum is to make extreme exaggerations -just don't use the "N" word
pelsar
Apr 2012
#112
What part of what I've said aren't you understanding? Stop blaming others for that ugly post...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#115
Yr still trying to blame others for that disgusting post. Stop trying to deflect...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#119
you confusing blame with motivation, i don't blame others, i was motivated by past posts.
pelsar
Apr 2012
#121
Blame? Motivation? It's the same thing. Yr not responsible for what you posted. They made you do it.
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#122
actually there is a difference between motivation and blame...at least in my world
pelsar
Apr 2012
#124
For the record, the term"carpet-bombed"(a term I did later modify since I accepted
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#148
Why are you bringing up the lies about organ theft in association with MY post?
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#147
just a mirror? please pointing out the irony of complaining about Palestian nationalism
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#101
There's nothing that continuing the Occupation can do to abet the cause of human rights
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#84
I've proven that right-wing nationalism does NOT come first to me. So don't ever say it does again
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#86
But it comes before Palestinian civil liberties under their leadership, right? n/t
shira
Apr 2012
#87
It ended up meaning very, very little that the words "all men are created equal"
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#91
Will you please just admit that I don't WANT a right-wing nationalist state in Palestine?
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#97
please stop saying "you're stuck" and just TELL me what other option you're thinking of
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#165
I never attacked "Israelis"-I disagreed with some policies of the Israeli government, and that's
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#169
If I was concerned about upsetting the powers-that-be in the ME, I wouldn't have supported
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#99
You don't say much about Mubarak/Hamas b/c civil rights there don't matter to you
shira
Apr 2012
#149
I did support the Iranian uprising. And I don't feel that either is hasbara.
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#159
There were NO positive options that involved Israel retaining control of Gaza
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#145
You're bringing up Begin when Barak's agreement to Clinton's Initiatives were in 2000
shira
Apr 2012
#154
No, it did not. If it had, the people of Gaza would have supported that leadership
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#198
ya it started about the time the British colonial ruler decided to give the Arabs land
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#31
quote "There was no Palestinian resistance when the territories were occupied by Jordan and Egypt"
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#44
Nazi inspired? " The Syrian Social Nationalist Party" began in 1932 before the Nazi party took over
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#18