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Response to pelsar (Reply #183)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:23 AM

185. You are NOT clarifying my stance...you are distorting it beyond reason

Hamas would have taken over Gaza even if the IDF were still there. It was going to be impossible to stop them. Gaza was Hamas' base of support...what could the IDF possibly have done to stop them that Fatah wouldn't have been able to do?
It's not as if Fatah didn't have just as much weaponry at its disposal as the IDF

And I seriously doubt that, aside from a few collaborators on the Mossad payroll, there were ever any significant number of Palestinians who were ever GRATEFUL for being kept under Occupation. Human beings are never grateful for having some other country's army staying on their country's soil indefinitely. No Palestinian ever regarded the IDF as liberators.

And I hate Hamas and you know it...you are lying if you say otherwise. I don't have to agree with your analysis of the situation to prove that and I don't have to defend the Occupation to prove that. You are imposing conditions you have no right to impose.

The Occupation was a dead end...it had no chance of leading to anything better if it stayed into place...

And it was never going to produce a better Palestinian leadership. How COULD it do so in the future if it hadn't in forty-five years? What was going to make that happen that hadn't made it happen up 'til now?

perhaps Hamas itself might not have gained support, but some other group pledged to ending the Occupation by any means necessary WOULD have done so...do you really imagine that the majority of Palestinians, left to their own devices, would have been perfectly content to leave the status quo in place until YOUR side was willing to let it end? That's as ignorant as the assumption that, if it weren't for "Arab leaders", the Arab rank-and-file wouldn't have cared about Israel coming into existence. That rank-and-file was always in solidarity with the people of Palestine.

Nothing in my views has been hidden and my views are not dangerous.

When you say "it would be better if a particular people had never been allowed to govern themselves" you automatically abandon ALL progressive views and turn into Colonel Blimp. It isn't possible to defend subjugation in one situation and be liberal in another.

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