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Response to kayecy (Reply #194)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:50 AM

195. my opinions actually carry more weight than some one i don't know...

and when you use "authorities" would you mind giving me their names and resumes so that we can check out their own history and find out if actually they do know what their talking about? and how they got the title....anonymous "authorities" or those like you've already shown (dayan and halutz) just show how pathetic the concept of 'authorities actually is." Not to mention the "authorities who said there was wmd in iraq...theres a long long long list of "authorities making wrong predictions.

It seems inconceivable to you that Israel’s attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities could lead to a general war with both Israel and Iran/Hezbollah hurling missiles at each other…

i thought you (and your authorities) agreed that that they can't read the future, you keep bringing it up that you can. If you can't then stop predicting if you've changed your mind that just tell me.

on the contrary its very conceivable....i'm open to all options, even that one that says we want Iran to develop nuclear weapons (this came as a conclusion from talking-to my brother). This will scare the shit out of saudi arabia as well as europe since only israel has a working anti ballistic system in the area to protect both from the iranians should "allah" tell them to shoot. The political shift will cause them to tell the Palestinians that the game is over and they should take what they can get now, because they all need israel far more than they do the Palestinians....and peace then breaks out in the area (ok rather simplistic, but another variation).


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Dictatorships: its simple, do you believe that as governing system they are morally ethical. Not how they govern, just their very existence as a governing system.

Occupations are not moral, start with that. The state also has a moral obligation to protect first and foremost its own citizens over the "other". Whereas this is not the case of China occupying tibet, its is easy to argue that if israel withdraws today from the west bank it citizens will no longer be secure. Hence in the argument of what is ethical, security comes first, the occupation is "less moral" The state has a obligation not to put its citizens in a position of moral danger when possible, it can be argued that israel failed when it left gaza by putting over a million of its citizen under missile attacks from gaza a few weeks ago.

in 67 the front line soldiers were alerted, there was just "nobody there" the since it was the holiday getting the regulars back took more than 6 hrs before the attack, reserves require 72 hours to get prepared, which is what the preemptive strike was all about.

Pre-emptive attacks should not be acceptable in any democracy….Alerting your forces, strengthening your defences, even issuing a warning to your enemy are all acceptable moral alternatives
war is not a game....no one side will actually knows if any one soldier(s) action will turn the war around or what one generals decision based on wrong info will do and its not a matter of "being fair" A democracies highest morality is to defend itself and its citizens...and if a country even threatens to destroy another, its they who are immoral and any and all consequences are upon them, the threat is immoral.

More so there is also the moral imperative that those who are 'more moral"...have the moral imperative to live and survive to insure a better society.

if we let people like pot pol, stalin, hitler have their way the world will be a much worse place,and letting them have the initiative creates a world of far more death and destruction:
Hitler was the cause of over 60millon
stalin has at least 20 million
and on and on it goes. Giving those kind of people the initiative to start wars is far more immoral than pre-emptive strike from a democracy.

your morality while is "nice" creates far more violence then stopping the monsters before they get too much power and that is what is really immoral. Perhaps you like it because it makes for easy decisions......but its immoral because the outcome is much worse and its the outcome that is far more important than the process in international politics.

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