Reply #82

My opponents here tend to hold positions that are identical to those of known antizionists and their organizations. I can't buy that 2 state advocates happen to also be fans of the Free Gaza Movement, ISM, BDS, PSC, IAW, GM2J, etc. Those organizations are clearly anti-zionist, for one state, and against peace. Maybe you can explain how it is that you're for 2 states but closer in ideology to the one staters than you are Zionist 2-staters.

my so called opposites are those who claim to oh so want a 2 state solution but then claim there isn't one because it's all the Palestinians fault over things that happened in the past

The Palestinians didn't counter Israel's offer. You don't hold them accountable one bit for that. The reason being, if you did, that would be hasbara.

Olmert's offer was popular for quite a time until it was shown to be a falsehood,

No falsehood about it. Erekat and Abbas said Olmert's offer was serious. The Geneva Initiative people commended Olmert for his efforts.

now in vogue excuse is Taba which was over a decade ago,

The Palestinians owe the world an explanation as to why they not only rejected that offer, but chose to start Intifada 2.

however it is never quite explained why if Israel so wants a 'solution' to or peace why it does not make the Palestinians those same offers now, but rather keeps building and building and building some more.

What makes you think the Palestinians would accept if the offer was on the table now? If Israel were to offer it now, would that prove to you Israel wants peace?

The conclusion we're left with is that Israel has the peace it wants in the West Bank and what Israel wants there now is more of a piece not peace

That's the conclusion you want to believe.

How about the conclusion that the PLO doesn't want peace and wants Israel destroyed? Has that ever crossed your mind?

as to your questions not getting answered don't you mean that you do not get the answers you desire so in a IMO rather childish way claim the question wasn't answered at all?

You know very well what I mean when you never answer questions. Don't be coy.

all that said explain this if you do not lie or exaggerate explain your claims about Olmert and Khalood Bawadi? that's just for starters

What's there to explain? Erekat and Abbas said Olmert's offer was serious. Badawi intentionally lied in order to smear Israel. "See, this is what those inhumane bastards do to children". Explain the lie or exaggeration.

oh and you did not answer who "we" is, seems or could be taken to be an admission of an organized effort by a third party here on DU, if not then explain who "we" are ?

Are you afraid of your shadow? I think you see Zionist conspiracies everywhere. Obviously the "we" here refers to me, Pelsar, and Shakti WRT Ken's arguments.