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In reply to the discussion: Palestinian activists disavow former Israeli Jew for anti-Semitism (Gilad Atzmon) [View all]pelsar
(12,283 posts)61. you asked: if it bothers me..."
A lot of Israelis and international supporters of Israel oppose the settlement project(a program that is illegal, as we both know) and see the same thing I do...that the settlements actually endanger Israeli security by driving Palestinians, out of rage and desperation, into support of more extreme choices.
yes many oppose the settlement project...but not the occupation
gaza is why.....and you don't have an answer why hamas and friends keep on (almost daily) keep trying to murder us. Yes in case you didn't know that eastern fence of gaza and israel is a low level war zone...and yes hamas does control the occasional mortar, sniper fire and bomb laying attempts.
it can't because of an "humiliation" since the only checkpoints that exist are hamas checkpoints. It can't because they don't have freedom of movement since they are not attacking egypt, its not because of lack of materials, since they have two brand new 5 start hotels...
it can't be because of the settlements, israel fulfilled the "mantra of the left" that: its must do the big thing, must break the cycle, must show "good will"
..whats left, why are they trying to kill us? why do they even attack the goods entry points and stop when hamas says stop?
well?
The settlements have also bred a new generation of territorial expansionist whackjobs who are gaining great influence in Israeli politics. Please tell me that at least THAT bothers you...it should, since it puts the lives of you and your fellow soldiers at risk.
yes sharons "grab the hilltops" help create even more fanatics, and these have attacked, Palestenians and the IDF. I do believe they are probably the worst thing creation that israeli society has created, a wild youth with religious fanaticism that borders on hamas mentality. So yes it bothers me....but kassams and grads on major cities, or me and other having to enter the west bank as the IDF did in gaza bothers me more. So in the meantime we're stuck with those scumbags.
tell me when you have a solution for us with a PA dictatorship that either follows the gaza example, Lebanon example, syrian example, egyptian example.....they've already dumped western democratic values as per their own laws and actions (just do the research).....you do know this correct?
and if not, while they go through this road to democracy (irans road trip is over 30+ years and not going very fast are they....) and use us as their punching bag, are we supposed to just take it?
btw...how good at you at reading the future?...
yes many oppose the settlement project...but not the occupation
gaza is why.....and you don't have an answer why hamas and friends keep on (almost daily) keep trying to murder us. Yes in case you didn't know that eastern fence of gaza and israel is a low level war zone...and yes hamas does control the occasional mortar, sniper fire and bomb laying attempts.
it can't because of an "humiliation" since the only checkpoints that exist are hamas checkpoints. It can't because they don't have freedom of movement since they are not attacking egypt, its not because of lack of materials, since they have two brand new 5 start hotels...
it can't be because of the settlements, israel fulfilled the "mantra of the left" that: its must do the big thing, must break the cycle, must show "good will"
..whats left, why are they trying to kill us? why do they even attack the goods entry points and stop when hamas says stop?
well?
The settlements have also bred a new generation of territorial expansionist whackjobs who are gaining great influence in Israeli politics. Please tell me that at least THAT bothers you...it should, since it puts the lives of you and your fellow soldiers at risk.
yes sharons "grab the hilltops" help create even more fanatics, and these have attacked, Palestenians and the IDF. I do believe they are probably the worst thing creation that israeli society has created, a wild youth with religious fanaticism that borders on hamas mentality. So yes it bothers me....but kassams and grads on major cities, or me and other having to enter the west bank as the IDF did in gaza bothers me more. So in the meantime we're stuck with those scumbags.
tell me when you have a solution for us with a PA dictatorship that either follows the gaza example, Lebanon example, syrian example, egyptian example.....they've already dumped western democratic values as per their own laws and actions (just do the research).....you do know this correct?
and if not, while they go through this road to democracy (irans road trip is over 30+ years and not going very fast are they....) and use us as their punching bag, are we supposed to just take it?
btw...how good at you at reading the future?...
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Palestinian activists disavow former Israeli Jew for anti-Semitism (Gilad Atzmon) [View all]
azurnoir
Mar 2012
OP
Many Palestinians and their 'supporters' consider the Israeli 'settlement' to be colonization
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#2
True most people have not heard of him but he has been brought up a number of times on this forum
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#8
I don't have to defend the oppression of an entire people to prove that I'm "tolerant".
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#13
Fatah wasn't shooting at Israelis in the Nineties. I wasn't talking about Hamas
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#51
Ken, how is it that this progressive movement hasn't said a word about Hamas or the PLO's...
shira
Mar 2012
#15
That "Semi-autonomous democracy" was never treated as an equal entity by the Israeli governments
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#20
no...skepticism about what some folks claim is necessary in the name of "security"
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#21
this is not difficult.....you claim everyone who has a certain viewpoint is hateful....
pelsar
Mar 2012
#33
It is when yr totally ignoring the nasty generalisations in the post he replied to...
Violet_Crumble
Mar 2012
#30
It is simply a lie to say that everybody who supports Palestinian self-determination
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#41
I didn't say that. But I do believe the movement in general is rotten to the core.
shira
Mar 2012
#46
Atzmon is a lunatic, and unfortunately he has now parked himself on Britain.
LeftishBrit
Mar 2012
#9