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In the discussion thread: Peter Beinart: Obama Betrayed Ideals on Israel (excellent read) [View all]

Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:06 PM

42. According to Saeb Erekat, the Palestinians' starting position in June 2008 was 150,000...

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or 15,000 a year for ten years. Olmert's position was 5,000 or 1000 a year for five years.

http://electronicintifada.net/downloads/pdf/100311-plo-paper.pdf

(c) Refugees: The Israeli side proposed the following:
- The return of 1,000 refugees to Israel annually and for a period of five years.
These would return for humanitarian reasons.
- Return to the State of Palestine would be an internal Palestinian affair.
- an international compensation fund would be established, on which Israel
would be a member.
- Israel rejected to bear any liability for the calamity caused to the Palestinian
refugees.
- Israel would bear a special liability for the compensation of refugees.
On the other hand, the Palestinian side stated the following:
- Solutions for the refugees’ properties would be discussed.
- The right to return is safeguarded by the international law and UN General
Assembly Resolution 194.
- The return to Israel of 15,000 refugees per year for 10 years, renewable
thereafter at the agreement of both parties.
- Return to the State of Palestine shall be subject to Palestinian law only.
- An international compensation fund shall be incorporated, whereby all
refugees would be compensated regardless of their choice. The right is for return and
compensation, not return or compensation.
- Host countries would be compensated

Olmert then made an offer of 10,000 or 1,000 a year for 10 years. Saeb Erekat later said to Mitchell that "Olmert accepted 10,000" and that "on refugees, the deal is there".

In any event, the Palestinians were hardly asking for full RoR, as you continue to glibly maintain.

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Peter Beinart: Obama Betrayed Ideals on Israel (excellent read) [View all]	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	OP
Obama bad, but not even mentioned in your excerpt?	babylonsister	Mar 2012	#1
Kow Tow to the Repugs?	bahrbearian	Mar 2012	#3
actually the article starts with that	Enrique	Mar 2012	#4
A lot of people do not consider J-Street 'pro-Israel.	King_David	Mar 2012	#20
So "deflating Republican attacks" is more important than standing agaisnt injustice?	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#51
Oh goodie we get to go to war , Because Obama didn't want to hurt Bibis little feeling	bahrbearian	Mar 2012	#2
#1, we won't stop giving $ to Israel. #2, do you really think we/Obama wants	babylonsister	Mar 2012	#5
I don't bluff !	bahrbearian	Mar 2012	#6
"Obama urges Israel to give diplomacy a chance with Iran in AIPAC speech"	babylonsister	Mar 2012	#8
we have 8 months separating us from the election	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#7
I would not be so sure about that	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#15
What in your would Iran have to do to be "stupid enough" to justify a war	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#16
Mine the Straights comes to mind	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#19
So you, Beinart, and your political allies believe that it's okay....	shira	Mar 2012	#9
shira once again Olmert himself says that Abbas did not refuse Olmert "stepped away" from being PM	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#10
Big deal. Did Abbas counter with anything reasonable at all, or did he just quietly walk away?	shira	Mar 2012	#11
shira the OP states that Abbas and Erekat tried to give the current PM and his rep	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#13
You're now avoiding the Olmert proposal w/Abbas' lack of a counter-offer....	shira	Mar 2012	#22
why will Israel not extend or even discuss it now? why the now you see it now you don't?	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#28
Stop. Now you're dredging up your past failed attempts to dismiss Olmert's offer.	shira	Mar 2012	#30
my only supposed "failure" here	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#33
Great, so you can't defend the past. We all know that already...	shira	Mar 2012	#34
keep trying however	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#35
Yeah, right. You've got nothing. n/t	shira	Mar 2012	#38
its not what I don't its what I still have	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#41
Now you're talking...	shira	Mar 2012	#47
well a couple of things here first Livni who was the front running candidate for Kadima did not	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#48
Why is the response to Olmert's "offer" more important than the offers Abbas & Co. made recently?	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#53
Again, why is the Olmert offer more important than the more recent PA offers that azur mentioned?	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#54
Ken, read the above exchange again. My point is that the PA has never once...	shira	Mar 2012	#56
once Livni and then Bibi were in power, what was the point?	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#52
I think we really need a sticky on this board...	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#12
There's a smilie I've been trying to figure out for the longest	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#14
This post is total BS	oberliner	Mar 2012	#17
Your post is total BS...	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#24
Further	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#26
If Abbas made an offer, what was the number of refugees....	shira	Mar 2012	#31
The Palestine Papers speak of a "very low number" and a "symbolic number"	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#36
Please show me where Abbas and Olmert agreed to some small number of refugees. n/t	shira	Mar 2012	#40
More BS on top of BS. Who do you think you're fooling?	shira	Mar 2012	#23
re Refugees and Settlements	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#25
The first link you provided is from Jan 2010. You realize that's well after Olmert?	shira	Mar 2012	#29
Bullshit. The discussions took place in June, 2008	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#37
The top of that link says Sept 2010. And it refers to Senator Mitchell...	shira	Mar 2012	#39
According to Saeb Erekat, the Palestinians' starting position in June 2008 was 150,000...	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#42
Those numbers are still vague due to a renewable right...	shira	Mar 2012	#49
Yeah, renewable only upon agreement with Israel	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#50
It's still too vague and leaves the door wide open. Here's Abbas admitting...	shira	Mar 2012	#57
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#55
Long Awaited! Seminal! Excellent Read!	oberliner	Mar 2012	#18
LOL nt	King_David	Mar 2012	#21
Well, someone seems bitter today...	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#27
I guess me and you have very different taste in men ...	King_David	Mar 2012	#32
You're just jealous because you couldn't get him in a million years (nt)	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#43
nope, not my type,wouldn' even try.	King_David	Mar 2012	#44
And you know this ?	King_David	Mar 2012	#45
This post was hidden by jury decision.	shaayecanaan	Mar 2012	#46
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Scurrilous	Mar 2012	#58
This post was hidden by jury decision.	azurnoir	Mar 2012	#59

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