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In reply to the discussion: Peter Beinart: Obama Betrayed Ideals on Israel (excellent read) [View all]shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)24. Your post is total BS...
There was no such formal offer made by Abbas in 2008 (detailed in the Palestine papers or anywhere else for that matter).
Well, if you want to split hairs, then Olmert's offer to Abbas wasn't formal either. Olmert refused to put his offer in writing, and the only record of the offer was Abbas' "napkin map" that he managed to hastily scrawl on a scrap of paper.
The offer was made, whether "formal" or not. In my opinion, this is exactly the sort of pervasive dishonesty that is problematic on this board.
PA president says that the documents leaked by Al-Jazeera purposely reverse the Israeli and Palestinian positions.
Do you actually believe that? That al-Jazeera doctored the papers to reverse the positions (so that presumably Tzipi Livni offered Saeb Erekat the "biggest Jerusalem in history" ? Please.
I half-expected the reply to my last post to consist of the other lie that Olmert's offer represented 98% of the West Bank - a dishonesty that is only tenable if you completely exclude greater Jerusalem from any calculation.
There seems to something of a "fatigue strategy" employed by people on this board to simply repeat the same lies over and over in the hope that casual observers will simply believe them and that other people will get tired of correcting them.
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So "deflating Republican attacks" is more important than standing agaisnt injustice?
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#51
Oh goodie we get to go to war , Because Obama didn't want to hurt Bibis little feeling
bahrbearian
Mar 2012
#2
#1, we won't stop giving $ to Israel. #2, do you really think we/Obama wants
babylonsister
Mar 2012
#5
shira once again Olmert himself says that Abbas did not refuse Olmert "stepped away" from being PM
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#10
Big deal. Did Abbas counter with anything reasonable at all, or did he just quietly walk away?
shira
Mar 2012
#11
shira the OP states that Abbas and Erekat tried to give the current PM and his rep
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#13
why will Israel not extend or even discuss it now? why the now you see it now you don't?
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#28
Stop. Now you're dredging up your past failed attempts to dismiss Olmert's offer.
shira
Mar 2012
#30
well a couple of things here first Livni who was the front running candidate for Kadima did not
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#48
Why is the response to Olmert's "offer" more important than the offers Abbas & Co. made recently?
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#53
Again, why is the Olmert offer more important than the more recent PA offers that azur mentioned?
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#54
Please show me where Abbas and Olmert agreed to some small number of refugees. n/t
shira
Mar 2012
#40
The first link you provided is from Jan 2010. You realize that's well after Olmert?
shira
Mar 2012
#29
According to Saeb Erekat, the Palestinians' starting position in June 2008 was 150,000...
shaayecanaan
Mar 2012
#42