Israel/Palestine

ProgressiveProfessor

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15. I would not be so sure about that

Tue Mar 13, 2012, 06:48 PM

Mar 2012

Presidents of both parties have used wars to rally electorates. I see no reason to believe that Obama would not do the same.

If Iran does something stupid enough, it could give Obama the excuse he needs to shoot Tomahawks or launch airstrikes. Mine the Straights of Hormuz, attack shipping could draw an immediate military reply. Alternatively, it could be slow buildup and then he could claim that Iran crossed a line in the sand. My guess that would involve nuclear weapons or equivalent.

New wars are often popular. I see no reason why if one flared up that Obama would lose the election over it, especially with the current crop of repuke candidates. I could see him going forward with at least airstrikes as a way to cement a victory.

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Peter Beinart: Obama Betrayed Ideals on Israel (excellent read) [View all] shaayecanaan Mar 2012 OP

Obama bad, but not even mentioned in your excerpt? babylonsister Mar 2012 #1

Kow Tow to the Repugs? bahrbearian Mar 2012 #3

actually the article starts with that Enrique Mar 2012 #4

A lot of people do not consider J-Street 'pro-Israel. King_David Mar 2012 #20

So "deflating Republican attacks" is more important than standing agaisnt injustice? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #51

Oh goodie we get to go to war , Because Obama didn't want to hurt Bibis little feeling bahrbearian Mar 2012 #2

#1, we won't stop giving $ to Israel. #2, do you really think we/Obama wants babylonsister Mar 2012 #5

I don't bluff ! bahrbearian Mar 2012 #6

"Obama urges Israel to give diplomacy a chance with Iran in AIPAC speech" babylonsister Mar 2012 #8

we have 8 months separating us from the election azurnoir Mar 2012 #7

I would not be so sure about that ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #15

What in your would Iran have to do to be "stupid enough" to justify a war azurnoir Mar 2012 #16

Mine the Straights comes to mind ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #19

So you, Beinart, and your political allies believe that it's okay.... shira Mar 2012 #9

shira once again Olmert himself says that Abbas did not refuse Olmert "stepped away" from being PM azurnoir Mar 2012 #10

Big deal. Did Abbas counter with anything reasonable at all, or did he just quietly walk away? shira Mar 2012 #11

shira the OP states that Abbas and Erekat tried to give the current PM and his rep azurnoir Mar 2012 #13

You're now avoiding the Olmert proposal w/Abbas' lack of a counter-offer.... shira Mar 2012 #22

why will Israel not extend or even discuss it now? why the now you see it now you don't? azurnoir Mar 2012 #28

Stop. Now you're dredging up your past failed attempts to dismiss Olmert's offer. shira Mar 2012 #30

my only supposed "failure" here azurnoir Mar 2012 #33

Great, so you can't defend the past. We all know that already... shira Mar 2012 #34

keep trying however azurnoir Mar 2012 #35

Yeah, right. You've got nothing. n/t shira Mar 2012 #38

its not what I don't its what I still have azurnoir Mar 2012 #41

Now you're talking... shira Mar 2012 #47

well a couple of things here first Livni who was the front running candidate for Kadima did not azurnoir Mar 2012 #48

Why is the response to Olmert's "offer" more important than the offers Abbas & Co. made recently? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #53

Again, why is the Olmert offer more important than the more recent PA offers that azur mentioned? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #54

Ken, read the above exchange again. My point is that the PA has never once... shira Mar 2012 #56

once Livni and then Bibi were in power, what was the point? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #52

I think we really need a sticky on this board... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #12

There's a smilie I've been trying to figure out for the longest azurnoir Mar 2012 #14

This post is total BS oberliner Mar 2012 #17

Your post is total BS... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #24

Further shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #26

If Abbas made an offer, what was the number of refugees.... shira Mar 2012 #31

The Palestine Papers speak of a "very low number" and a "symbolic number" shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #36

Please show me where Abbas and Olmert agreed to some small number of refugees. n/t shira Mar 2012 #40

More BS on top of BS. Who do you think you're fooling? shira Mar 2012 #23

re Refugees and Settlements shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #25

The first link you provided is from Jan 2010. You realize that's well after Olmert? shira Mar 2012 #29

Bullshit. The discussions took place in June, 2008 shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #37

The top of that link says Sept 2010. And it refers to Senator Mitchell... shira Mar 2012 #39

According to Saeb Erekat, the Palestinians' starting position in June 2008 was 150,000... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #42

Those numbers are still vague due to a renewable right... shira Mar 2012 #49

Yeah, renewable only upon agreement with Israel shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #50

It's still too vague and leaves the door wide open. Here's Abbas admitting... shira Mar 2012 #57

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Long Awaited! Seminal! Excellent Read! oberliner Mar 2012 #18

LOL nt King_David Mar 2012 #21

Well, someone seems bitter today... shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #27

I guess me and you have very different taste in men ... King_David Mar 2012 #32

You're just jealous because you couldn't get him in a million years (nt) shaayecanaan Mar 2012 #43

nope, not my type,wouldn' even try. King_David Mar 2012 #44

And you know this ? King_David Mar 2012 #45

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