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Response to kayecy (Reply #142)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 02:32 AM

pelsar (11,527 posts)

143. what happened to your "non hierarchy??

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You seem to have a hierarchy score-card of human beings....Your children seem to be at the top, then your family, then your friends/colleagues, then other Israel citizens and finally, the other inhabitants of this world.

a gunman enters the store and you leave too innocent kids to go find your own?....so i guess we can say you do after all have a hierarchy...otherwise you wouldn't have left those kids.

glad we cleared that up- now its a matter of degree
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Hitler had already taken over austria by force, that wasn't enough for the world to start acting?
Start acting – YES ........Start military action -No
Why not? looking back in history we know that nothing was going to stop him other than military force....

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just to delay a hypothetical attack on Israel by up to two years?
where did you get two years from?.....all of a sudden you can read the future?
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btw whereas i enjoy your sarcasm, i was wondering are you one of the "progressives' that love diversity unless your being challenged, in which case you no longer "love" diversity? and attempt to show how intellectually superior you are? .....you aren't, not in academic degrees, nor in knowledge of the I/P conflict and not in life experiences. I will challenge your interpretation of morality as someone who is equal to me, just don't attempt to show any "superiority via sarcasm"...because you don't have it.

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198 replies	Author	Time	Post
Palestinian Villages May Soon Go Dark: Israeli Government To Remove Solar Panels And Wind Turbines [View all]	stockholmer	Feb 2012	OP
Destruction of these facilites would be indefensible	AnOhioan	Feb 2012	#1
You'd think so...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#2
Lol yep	azurnoir	Feb 2012	#8
...so sad...	roody	Feb 2012	#3
Ma'an has a series of articles on the Israeli demolitions of European funded Area C projects	azurnoir	Feb 2012	#4
Thanks.	Scurrilous	Feb 2012	#7
This message was self-deleted by its author	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#5
Ummm...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#6
Cut off. No power, no sanitation, no medical, no jobs, no food, no education... did I miss anything.	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#10
"Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation..."	oberliner	Feb 2012	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#15
you imagine.	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#32
This message was self-deleted by its author	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#36
Wait, what? You are claiming Israelis are really nazis in search of a "final solution"?	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#37
I have no words.	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#38
This message was self-deleted by its author	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#39
If I was to speculate	Harmony Blue	Feb 2012	#91
its not the ignorance that is surprising......	pelsar	Feb 2012	#16
Palwood Studios...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#17
I thought Ahmadinejad was everyone's favourite plastic Hitler...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#24
actually nobody really knows what he will do	pelsar	Feb 2012	#26
Well, he's retiring in 2013	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#27
so your an expert now in iranian politics?	pelsar	Feb 2012	#31
the history goes back a bit further than that	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#34
or the opposite....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#40
video link is fixed...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#41
if they hit the west bank...so	pelsar	Feb 2012	#42
I am confused...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#43
why do you just make things up?????	pelsar	Feb 2012	#44
what is your point?	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#45
Actually, comparisons to Hitler are frequently made...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#63
The logic is there, but that doesn't explain the rhetoric	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#65
Oh, I can explain the rhetoric...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#74
One comment made in 1959 vs constant, repeated bleatings complete with hosting holocaust denial?	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#76
so the argument goes...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#86
I was not aware of the specificity in shia	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#107
I don't think you can make predictions based on the technical vagaries of religions...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#115
you seem to make up your own arguments.....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#77
israel is quite active in helping the jundalla attack iran	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#87
israel was attacking Iran?	pelsar	Feb 2012	#88
have a look	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#111
Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization.	pelsar	Feb 2012	#116
re	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#117
actually their CIA funded.....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#118
Can you be exact please?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#121
words fail me....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#122
How many Iranian civilians is Israel prepared to kill in order to delay the Iranian nuclear program?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#123
sorry i don't dodge any question put to me .....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#124
I wish I could be so indifferent to my government going to war.........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#125
boy do you know nothing about wars.....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#126
You still haven't answered my question........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#128
as i answer yours.....your don't answer mine....lets test your morality	pelsar	Mar 2012	#129
Thank you for your correction......Please write and correct Wikipedia!	kayecy	Mar 2012	#130
at least we now understand your morality...but how many to kill to protect your kids?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#131
Ah, an answer at last.......Why did it take you so long?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#132
not so fast....your too easily ignoring your own morals..	pelsar	Mar 2012	#133
It would be immoral for me to kill innocents, even to save my children....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#134
you misunderstood the question.....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#135
Theoretically, it would depend on the chance of me killing innocents	kayecy	Mar 2012	#136
patience....your questions are not difficult...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#137
I just said I was unlikely ever to shoot to kill another human.	kayecy	Mar 2012	#138
i know hitler declared war...but they didn't attack the US	pelsar	Mar 2012	#139
I might even join a resistance movement against the aggressor.	kayecy	Mar 2012	#140
..i iike to focus	pelsar	Mar 2012	#141
Is that an approximate extension of your hypothesis to Israel’s attack on Iran?...	kayecy	Mar 2012	#142
what happened to your "non hierarchy??	pelsar	Mar 2012	#143
I am, of course, just trying to find out how amoral you are!	kayecy	Mar 2012	#144
so now the internet has a crystal ball?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#146
Since you appear to have difficulty using Google I will help you. ..........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#147
Time magazine? and "senior israeli official' Atlantic Magazine....LOL.I got some too!!	pelsar	Mar 2012	#149
Now this is the crux of our differences....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#152
your challenge...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#153
Where is your moral responsibility to your kids now?........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#154
authoritative reference.....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#155
And your considered opinion is still that Israel should proceed to attack Iran?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#156
i'm still asking about the "authorities" of YOURs	pelsar	Mar 2012	#157
I am still waiting for even one authoritative refeence from you!	kayecy	Mar 2012	#158
as i understand your "authorities are"	pelsar	Mar 2012	#159
Why do you deliberately falsify my statements?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#160
my mistake on the lebanon "welcoming the PLO"....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#161
it (Israel) deliberately, indiscriminately and recklessly bombed civilian targets .........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#162
i think this i going to be difficult for you to understand....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#163
Please rephrase any of the above statements you disagree with.	kayecy	Mar 2012	#164
thats it?...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#165
Hitler thought he knew what would happen when he invaded Russia....He was wrong.....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#166
your confusing....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#167
Have you considered the possible negative outcomes?...	kayecy	Mar 2012	#168
the difference of the ideologue vs the open mind....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#169
Why are you avoiding answering the simple question I put to you?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#170
simple research....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#171
You have misunderstood me.....I am not asking questions.....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#172
where do you think i do my research?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#173
......and the results of any israeli attack are ambigious......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#174
no no no...talk about 100% avoidance.....the mantra has zero credibility	pelsar	Mar 2012	#175
My answer was also clear............	kayecy	Mar 2012	#177
what good would an israeli retaliatory attack do?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#178
Why do you persist in deliberately misunderstanding me?......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#181
Kayecy, why do you persist in defining an Israeli strike on nuclear facilities...	shira	Mar 2012	#182
....60 million+ dead, the enslavement on Eastern Europe in your eyes was the moral choice?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#183
Pelsar...Do you believe Iran has the right to attack Israel?....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#184
ah...so you don't like it when I speculate, but you can predict?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#185
It is not a question of like or dislike, merely that historical speculation is a waste of time......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#186
your asking if israel has done "immoral things".....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#187
I suggest you were merely expressing your own opinion ........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#188
yes israel simple believes the iranian government...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#189
is this "illegal" business just another of your uninformed opinions?......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#190
of course its my own "idiosyncratic opinion".....its my ethics and my morals...	pelsar	Apr 2012	#191
You are making the same assumptions that Hitler made…	kayecy	Apr 2012	#194
my opinions actually carry more weight than some one i don't know...	pelsar	Apr 2012	#195
And what about the settlements?...	kayecy	Apr 2012	#196
i thought it was clear that neither your nor i can read the future....	pelsar	Apr 2012	#197
Has Israel shown any intention of ever returning to the Green-Line?	kayecy	Apr 2012	#198
you pose a classic ethical question here.	Shaktimaan	Mar 2012	#176
An ethical question - yes, but your response is most unethical.....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#179
Kayecy, Iran is behind Hezbollah, Hamas, and P.I.J. rocket attacks on Israel now....	shira	Mar 2012	#180
interesting.	Shaktimaan	Apr 2012	#192
Your scenario is interesting but of no relevance…….	kayecy	Apr 2012	#193
Is that a rhetorical question or are you geniunely asking?	oberliner	Feb 2012	#9
Apparently not rhetorical	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#11
I just alerted on it, Obie...	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#21
From the OP...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#13
So, you think Israel would be totally justified in demolishing those solar panels and wind turbines?	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#18
I think that ANYONE	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#19
Well, that's a pretty callous viewpoint.	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#20
And your viewpoint is disingenuous	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#22
That's not my viewpoint yr describing....	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#23
+10000	stockholmer	Feb 2012	#29
Thank you. I think it was worth a +eventy billion, though!	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#33
You aren't seriously arguing that building solar panels is about "Demonizing Israel".	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#47
Israel is clearly the victim here. It's kind of a "forced demonization".	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#93
Ah..you've uncovered the diabolical plot.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#99
Why do they have to make peace before they can build any infrastructure?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#49
The solar panels do no harm. There's no way that they could threaten Israeli security.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#46
Not when its a harmless, green power grid.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#48
Israel is guilty...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#50
Granted, a lot of countries have bureaucracy	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#51
That would mean no NGO could build a power grid in Somalia	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#53
Try it sometime...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#55
Here's the rub, though	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#57
Pretty much the West Bank, as long as you're Jewish Israeli.	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#94
Haha. +1.	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#119
There wasnt a lot of electricity around in Ottoman times...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#64
Form over substance...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#14
Same BS anti-Israel demonization. Different day. Apparently, haters need their daily fix. N/T	shira	Feb 2012	#25
Why the obsession over the permitting process? And what difference does "the legal framework" make?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#52
It's the law. The EU can't just do anything it wants in area C...	shira	Feb 2012	#54
Why can't the Israeli side admit that, in a situation like this, where the construction is harmless	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#58
You didn't answer my question, Ken. The EU is deliberately being provocative.	shira	Feb 2012	#59
detestable? That's a bit harsh	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#61
Yes, the EU is playing games with people's lives...	shira	Feb 2012	#62
Palestinians should be used to it by now.	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#66
The EU isn't trying to harm Israel. Not filling out these forms doesn't threaten Israel.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#69
Whom are you talking to?	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#71
What is the risk?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#67
If it's in a military Occupation zone, an area that's certain to end up in Palestine anyway	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#70
I'd be REALLY curious to hear...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#72
Is there some reason that it's more threatening to have them install them in Area C?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#73
Do you think being deliberately obtuse is cute? NT	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#75
I'm not being obtuse.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#80
our natural desire to make those not in power miserable---wow	pelsar	Feb 2012	#120
The natural desire of ANYONE in power to make anyone out of power miserable	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#127
its a universal dumb statement....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#145
And if it includes you, it also includes me, since I'm also of this earth	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#148
position of this kind of power.	pelsar	Mar 2012	#150
Still avoiding the issues through personal attacks on me	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#151
It's because the Israelis employ	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#95
Haaretz has picked up this story today.	Matilda	Feb 2012	#28
Those anti-semitic haters over at Haaretz!	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#30
Double standard time. Nasty antisemitic comments exist on the FGM and BDS facebook pages...	shira	Feb 2012	#35
Obviously mistranslations.... NT	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#56
Leftwingers are incapable of that kind of hatred and racism. n/t	shira	Feb 2012	#60
Left-wingers were fighting Hitler and Mussolini while most of the Right were backing them	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#68
true we love war.... most important to us..we need it	pelsar	Feb 2012	#78
The government, NOT the people-the two are not the same in ANY democratic society	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#79
in israel the government is made up of citizens	pelsar	Feb 2012	#81
I was saying the political class, not the people as a whole	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#82
your slander israeli citizens....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#83
I read about her in that entry...but don't know enough about her to have an opinion	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#84
when you stop slandering...i'll move on	pelsar	Feb 2012	#85
It's not "slandering" simply to make an observation-Clearly it applies to most of the government	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#89
what i take "personally" is your slandering of a main stream politicians..as if they are monsters.	pelsar	Feb 2012	#96
I looked at the list. It doesn't really tell you that much.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#97
the list of the knesset members are regular israelis....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#100
What do you think my stance is?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#101
Ken, do you realize that the top government officials you're slamming....	shira	Feb 2012	#103
I don't think they(the leaders) put peace first, by any standard.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#104
You didn't answer me directly. Your response didn't mention anything about..	shira	Feb 2012	#105
I did answer directly. I just didn't answer simply	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#108
Have you ever considered that Israel's leaders don't see eye to eye with you?	shira	Feb 2012	#109
Well, yes, obviously they see the situation differently. That goes without saying.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#112
So that doesn't mean they "need" the conflict to continue...	shira	Feb 2012	#113
It can mean both	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#114
why should i think the Palestinians leadership wants peace?	pelsar	Feb 2012	#106
You will never get straight answers to that post from any "pro Palestinian" advocate here. n/t	shira	Feb 2012	#110
Again with the "We"--I was NEVER attacking you as an individual	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#102
what are you basing this on?	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#90
They don't have to say it out loud...it's in all their actions	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#98
The problem is, and I have pointed this out countless times	Harmony Blue	Feb 2012	#92

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