Israel/Palestine

Ken Burch

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102. Again with the "We"--I was NEVER attacking you as an individual

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:57 AM

Feb 2012

You can't take comments about people who simply happen to BE Israelis as a personal affront. Those people aren't you. And nothing I can say in an Internet message board can do those people any real harm.

This is just a discussion. Those politicians hear(and say)thirty times worse things to each other every day in the Knesset...and in six or more different languages. Nothing I post here is going to harm any of them. Do you think they even care about this exchange you and I are having?

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Palestinian Villages May Soon Go Dark: Israeli Government To Remove Solar Panels And Wind Turbines [View all] stockholmer Feb 2012 OP

Destruction of these facilites would be indefensible AnOhioan Feb 2012 #1

You'd think so... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #2

Lol yep azurnoir Feb 2012 #8

...so sad... roody Feb 2012 #3

Ma'an has a series of articles on the Israeli demolitions of European funded Area C projects azurnoir Feb 2012 #4

Thanks. Scurrilous Feb 2012 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Feb 2012 #5

Ummm... holdencaufield Feb 2012 #6

Cut off. No power, no sanitation, no medical, no jobs, no food, no education... did I miss anything. kickysnana Feb 2012 #10

"Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation..." oberliner Feb 2012 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Feb 2012 #15

you imagine. Shaktimaan Feb 2012 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Feb 2012 #36

Wait, what? You are claiming Israelis are really nazis in search of a "final solution"? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #37

I have no words. Shaktimaan Feb 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Shaktimaan Feb 2012 #39

If I was to speculate Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #91

its not the ignorance that is surprising...... pelsar Feb 2012 #16

Palwood Studios... holdencaufield Feb 2012 #17

I thought Ahmadinejad was everyone's favourite plastic Hitler... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #24

actually nobody really knows what he will do pelsar Feb 2012 #26

Well, he's retiring in 2013 shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #27

so your an expert now in iranian politics? pelsar Feb 2012 #31

the history goes back a bit further than that shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #34

or the opposite.... pelsar Feb 2012 #40

video link is fixed... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #41

if they hit the west bank...so pelsar Feb 2012 #42

I am confused... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #43

why do you just make things up????? pelsar Feb 2012 #44

what is your point? Shaktimaan Feb 2012 #45

Actually, comparisons to Hitler are frequently made... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #63

The logic is there, but that doesn't explain the rhetoric Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #65

Oh, I can explain the rhetoric... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #74

One comment made in 1959 vs constant, repeated bleatings complete with hosting holocaust denial? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #76

so the argument goes... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #86

I was not aware of the specificity in shia Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #107

I don't think you can make predictions based on the technical vagaries of religions... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #115

you seem to make up your own arguments..... pelsar Feb 2012 #77

israel is quite active in helping the jundalla attack iran shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #87

israel was attacking Iran? pelsar Feb 2012 #88

have a look shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #111

Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. pelsar Feb 2012 #116

re shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #117

actually their CIA funded..... pelsar Feb 2012 #118

Can you be exact please? kayecy Mar 2012 #121

words fail me.... pelsar Mar 2012 #122

How many Iranian civilians is Israel prepared to kill in order to delay the Iranian nuclear program? kayecy Mar 2012 #123

sorry i don't dodge any question put to me ..... pelsar Mar 2012 #124

I wish I could be so indifferent to my government going to war......... kayecy Mar 2012 #125

boy do you know nothing about wars..... pelsar Mar 2012 #126

You still haven't answered my question........ kayecy Mar 2012 #128

as i answer yours.....your don't answer mine....lets test your morality pelsar Mar 2012 #129

Thank you for your correction......Please write and correct Wikipedia! kayecy Mar 2012 #130

at least we now understand your morality...but how many to kill to protect your kids? pelsar Mar 2012 #131

Ah, an answer at last.......Why did it take you so long? kayecy Mar 2012 #132

not so fast....your too easily ignoring your own morals.. pelsar Mar 2012 #133

It would be immoral for me to kill innocents, even to save my children.... kayecy Mar 2012 #134

you misunderstood the question..... pelsar Mar 2012 #135

Theoretically, it would depend on the chance of me killing innocents kayecy Mar 2012 #136

patience....your questions are not difficult... pelsar Mar 2012 #137

I just said I was unlikely ever to shoot to kill another human. kayecy Mar 2012 #138

i know hitler declared war...but they didn't attack the US pelsar Mar 2012 #139

I might even join a resistance movement against the aggressor. kayecy Mar 2012 #140

..i iike to focus pelsar Mar 2012 #141

Is that an approximate extension of your hypothesis to Israel’s attack on Iran?... kayecy Mar 2012 #142

what happened to your "non hierarchy?? pelsar Mar 2012 #143

I am, of course, just trying to find out how amoral you are! kayecy Mar 2012 #144

so now the internet has a crystal ball? pelsar Mar 2012 #146

Since you appear to have difficulty using Google I will help you. .......... kayecy Mar 2012 #147

Time magazine? and "senior israeli official' Atlantic Magazine....LOL.I got some too!! pelsar Mar 2012 #149

Now this is the crux of our differences.... kayecy Mar 2012 #152

your challenge... pelsar Mar 2012 #153

Where is your moral responsibility to your kids now?........ kayecy Mar 2012 #154

authoritative reference..... pelsar Mar 2012 #155

And your considered opinion is still that Israel should proceed to attack Iran? kayecy Mar 2012 #156

i'm still asking about the "authorities" of YOURs pelsar Mar 2012 #157

I am still waiting for even one authoritative refeence from you! kayecy Mar 2012 #158

as i understand your "authorities are" pelsar Mar 2012 #159

Why do you deliberately falsify my statements? kayecy Mar 2012 #160

my mistake on the lebanon "welcoming the PLO".... pelsar Mar 2012 #161

it (Israel) deliberately, indiscriminately and recklessly bombed civilian targets ......... kayecy Mar 2012 #162

i think this i going to be difficult for you to understand.... pelsar Mar 2012 #163

Please rephrase any of the above statements you disagree with. kayecy Mar 2012 #164

thats it?... pelsar Mar 2012 #165

Hitler thought he knew what would happen when he invaded Russia....He was wrong..... kayecy Mar 2012 #166

your confusing.... pelsar Mar 2012 #167

Have you considered the possible negative outcomes?... kayecy Mar 2012 #168

the difference of the ideologue vs the open mind.... pelsar Mar 2012 #169

Why are you avoiding answering the simple question I put to you? kayecy Mar 2012 #170

simple research.... pelsar Mar 2012 #171

You have misunderstood me.....I am not asking questions..... kayecy Mar 2012 #172

where do you think i do my research? pelsar Mar 2012 #173

......and the results of any israeli attack are ambigious...... kayecy Mar 2012 #174

no no no...talk about 100% avoidance.....the mantra has zero credibility pelsar Mar 2012 #175

My answer was also clear............ kayecy Mar 2012 #177

what good would an israeli retaliatory attack do? pelsar Mar 2012 #178

Why do you persist in deliberately misunderstanding me?...... kayecy Mar 2012 #181

Kayecy, why do you persist in defining an Israeli strike on nuclear facilities... shira Mar 2012 #182

....60 million+ dead, the enslavement on Eastern Europe in your eyes was the moral choice? pelsar Mar 2012 #183

Pelsar...Do you believe Iran has the right to attack Israel?.... kayecy Mar 2012 #184

ah...so you don't like it when I speculate, but you can predict? pelsar Mar 2012 #185

It is not a question of like or dislike, merely that historical speculation is a waste of time...... kayecy Mar 2012 #186

your asking if israel has done "immoral things"..... pelsar Mar 2012 #187

I suggest you were merely expressing your own opinion ........ kayecy Mar 2012 #188

yes israel simple believes the iranian government... pelsar Mar 2012 #189

is this "illegal" business just another of your uninformed opinions?...... kayecy Mar 2012 #190

of course its my own "idiosyncratic opinion".....its my ethics and my morals... pelsar Apr 2012 #191

You are making the same assumptions that Hitler made… kayecy Apr 2012 #194

my opinions actually carry more weight than some one i don't know... pelsar Apr 2012 #195

And what about the settlements?... kayecy Apr 2012 #196

i thought it was clear that neither your nor i can read the future.... pelsar Apr 2012 #197

Has Israel shown any intention of ever returning to the Green-Line? kayecy Apr 2012 #198

you pose a classic ethical question here. Shaktimaan Mar 2012 #176

An ethical question - yes, but your response is most unethical..... kayecy Mar 2012 #179

Kayecy, Iran is behind Hezbollah, Hamas, and P.I.J. rocket attacks on Israel now.... shira Mar 2012 #180

interesting. Shaktimaan Apr 2012 #192

Your scenario is interesting but of no relevance……. kayecy Apr 2012 #193

Is that a rhetorical question or are you geniunely asking? oberliner Feb 2012 #9

Apparently not rhetorical holdencaufield Feb 2012 #11

I just alerted on it, Obie... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #21

From the OP... holdencaufield Feb 2012 #13

So, you think Israel would be totally justified in demolishing those solar panels and wind turbines? Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #18

I think that ANYONE holdencaufield Feb 2012 #19

Well, that's a pretty callous viewpoint. Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #20

And your viewpoint is disingenuous holdencaufield Feb 2012 #22

That's not my viewpoint yr describing.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #23

+10000 stockholmer Feb 2012 #29

Thank you. I think it was worth a +eventy billion, though! Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #33

You aren't seriously arguing that building solar panels is about "Demonizing Israel". Ken Burch Feb 2012 #47

Israel is clearly the victim here. It's kind of a "forced demonization". Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #93

Ah..you've uncovered the diabolical plot. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #99

Why do they have to make peace before they can build any infrastructure? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #49

The solar panels do no harm. There's no way that they could threaten Israeli security. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #46

Not when its a harmless, green power grid. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #48

Israel is guilty... holdencaufield Feb 2012 #50

Granted, a lot of countries have bureaucracy Ken Burch Feb 2012 #51

That would mean no NGO could build a power grid in Somalia Ken Burch Feb 2012 #53

Try it sometime... holdencaufield Feb 2012 #55

Here's the rub, though Ken Burch Feb 2012 #57

Pretty much the West Bank, as long as you're Jewish Israeli. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #94

Haha. +1. Shaktimaan Feb 2012 #119

There wasnt a lot of electricity around in Ottoman times... shaayecanaan Feb 2012 #64

Form over substance... holdencaufield Feb 2012 #14

Same BS anti-Israel demonization. Different day. Apparently, haters need their daily fix. N/T shira Feb 2012 #25

Why the obsession over the permitting process? And what difference does "the legal framework" make? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #52

It's the law. The EU can't just do anything it wants in area C... shira Feb 2012 #54

Why can't the Israeli side admit that, in a situation like this, where the construction is harmless Ken Burch Feb 2012 #58

You didn't answer my question, Ken. The EU is deliberately being provocative. shira Feb 2012 #59

detestable? That's a bit harsh Ken Burch Feb 2012 #61

Yes, the EU is playing games with people's lives... shira Feb 2012 #62

Palestinians should be used to it by now. holdencaufield Feb 2012 #66

The EU isn't trying to harm Israel. Not filling out these forms doesn't threaten Israel. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #69

Whom are you talking to? holdencaufield Feb 2012 #71

What is the risk? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #67

If it's in a military Occupation zone, an area that's certain to end up in Palestine anyway Ken Burch Feb 2012 #70

I'd be REALLY curious to hear... holdencaufield Feb 2012 #72

Is there some reason that it's more threatening to have them install them in Area C? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #73

Do you think being deliberately obtuse is cute? NT holdencaufield Feb 2012 #75

I'm not being obtuse. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #80

our natural desire to make those not in power miserable---wow pelsar Feb 2012 #120

The natural desire of ANYONE in power to make anyone out of power miserable Ken Burch Mar 2012 #127

its a universal dumb statement.... pelsar Mar 2012 #145

And if it includes you, it also includes me, since I'm also of this earth Ken Burch Mar 2012 #148

position of this kind of power. pelsar Mar 2012 #150

Still avoiding the issues through personal attacks on me Ken Burch Mar 2012 #151

It's because the Israelis employ Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #95

Haaretz has picked up this story today. Matilda Feb 2012 #28

Those anti-semitic haters over at Haaretz! Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #30

Double standard time. Nasty antisemitic comments exist on the FGM and BDS facebook pages... shira Feb 2012 #35

Obviously mistranslations.... NT holdencaufield Feb 2012 #56

Leftwingers are incapable of that kind of hatred and racism. n/t shira Feb 2012 #60

Left-wingers were fighting Hitler and Mussolini while most of the Right were backing them Ken Burch Feb 2012 #68

true we love war.... most important to us..we need it pelsar Feb 2012 #78

The government, NOT the people-the two are not the same in ANY democratic society Ken Burch Feb 2012 #79

in israel the government is made up of citizens pelsar Feb 2012 #81

I was saying the political class, not the people as a whole Ken Burch Feb 2012 #82

your slander israeli citizens.... pelsar Feb 2012 #83

I read about her in that entry...but don't know enough about her to have an opinion Ken Burch Feb 2012 #84

when you stop slandering...i'll move on pelsar Feb 2012 #85

It's not "slandering" simply to make an observation-Clearly it applies to most of the government Ken Burch Feb 2012 #89

what i take "personally" is your slandering of a main stream politicians..as if they are monsters. pelsar Feb 2012 #96

I looked at the list. It doesn't really tell you that much. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #97

the list of the knesset members are regular israelis.... pelsar Feb 2012 #100

What do you think my stance is? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #101

Ken, do you realize that the top government officials you're slamming.... shira Feb 2012 #103

I don't think they(the leaders) put peace first, by any standard. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #104

You didn't answer me directly. Your response didn't mention anything about.. shira Feb 2012 #105

I did answer directly. I just didn't answer simply Ken Burch Feb 2012 #108

Have you ever considered that Israel's leaders don't see eye to eye with you? shira Feb 2012 #109

Well, yes, obviously they see the situation differently. That goes without saying. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #112

So that doesn't mean they "need" the conflict to continue... shira Feb 2012 #113

It can mean both Ken Burch Feb 2012 #114

why should i think the Palestinians leadership wants peace? pelsar Feb 2012 #106

You will never get straight answers to that post from any "pro Palestinian" advocate here. n/t shira Feb 2012 #110

Again with the "We"--I was NEVER attacking you as an individual Ken Burch Feb 2012 #102

what are you basing this on? Shaktimaan Feb 2012 #90

They don't have to say it out loud...it's in all their actions Ken Burch Feb 2012 #98

The problem is, and I have pointed this out countless times Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #92