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In the discussion thread: Palestinian Villages May Soon Go Dark: Israeli Government To Remove Solar Panels And Wind Turbines [View all]

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Sat Feb 25, 2012, 12:20 AM

Crunchy Frog (16,898 posts)

94. Pretty much the West Bank, as long as you're Jewish Israeli.

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Palestinian Villages May Soon Go Dark: Israeli Government To Remove Solar Panels And Wind Turbines [View all]	stockholmer	Feb 2012	OP
Destruction of these facilites would be indefensible	AnOhioan	Feb 2012	#1
You'd think so...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#2
Lol yep	azurnoir	Feb 2012	#8
...so sad...	roody	Feb 2012	#3
Ma'an has a series of articles on the Israeli demolitions of European funded Area C projects	azurnoir	Feb 2012	#4
Thanks.	Scurrilous	Feb 2012	#7
This message was self-deleted by its author	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#5
Ummm...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#6
Cut off. No power, no sanitation, no medical, no jobs, no food, no education... did I miss anything.	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#10
"Over 100,000 of the Ghetto's residents died due to rampant disease or starvation..."	oberliner	Feb 2012	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#15
you imagine.	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#32
This message was self-deleted by its author	kickysnana	Feb 2012	#36
Wait, what? You are claiming Israelis are really nazis in search of a "final solution"?	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#37
I have no words.	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#38
This message was self-deleted by its author	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#39
If I was to speculate	Harmony Blue	Feb 2012	#91
its not the ignorance that is surprising......	pelsar	Feb 2012	#16
Palwood Studios...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#17
I thought Ahmadinejad was everyone's favourite plastic Hitler...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#24
actually nobody really knows what he will do	pelsar	Feb 2012	#26
Well, he's retiring in 2013	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#27
so your an expert now in iranian politics?	pelsar	Feb 2012	#31
the history goes back a bit further than that	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#34
or the opposite....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#40
video link is fixed...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#41
if they hit the west bank...so	pelsar	Feb 2012	#42
I am confused...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#43
why do you just make things up?????	pelsar	Feb 2012	#44
what is your point?	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#45
Actually, comparisons to Hitler are frequently made...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#63
The logic is there, but that doesn't explain the rhetoric	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#65
Oh, I can explain the rhetoric...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#74
One comment made in 1959 vs constant, repeated bleatings complete with hosting holocaust denial?	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#76
so the argument goes...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#86
I was not aware of the specificity in shia	Ruby the Liberal	Feb 2012	#107
I don't think you can make predictions based on the technical vagaries of religions...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#115
you seem to make up your own arguments.....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#77
israel is quite active in helping the jundalla attack iran	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#87
israel was attacking Iran?	pelsar	Feb 2012	#88
have a look	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#111
Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization.	pelsar	Feb 2012	#116
re	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#117
actually their CIA funded.....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#118
Can you be exact please?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#121
words fail me....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#122
How many Iranian civilians is Israel prepared to kill in order to delay the Iranian nuclear program?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#123
sorry i don't dodge any question put to me .....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#124
I wish I could be so indifferent to my government going to war.........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#125
boy do you know nothing about wars.....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#126
You still haven't answered my question........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#128
as i answer yours.....your don't answer mine....lets test your morality	pelsar	Mar 2012	#129
Thank you for your correction......Please write and correct Wikipedia!	kayecy	Mar 2012	#130
at least we now understand your morality...but how many to kill to protect your kids?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#131
Ah, an answer at last.......Why did it take you so long?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#132
not so fast....your too easily ignoring your own morals..	pelsar	Mar 2012	#133
It would be immoral for me to kill innocents, even to save my children....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#134
you misunderstood the question.....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#135
Theoretically, it would depend on the chance of me killing innocents	kayecy	Mar 2012	#136
patience....your questions are not difficult...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#137
I just said I was unlikely ever to shoot to kill another human.	kayecy	Mar 2012	#138
i know hitler declared war...but they didn't attack the US	pelsar	Mar 2012	#139
I might even join a resistance movement against the aggressor.	kayecy	Mar 2012	#140
..i iike to focus	pelsar	Mar 2012	#141
Is that an approximate extension of your hypothesis to Israel’s attack on Iran?...	kayecy	Mar 2012	#142
what happened to your "non hierarchy??	pelsar	Mar 2012	#143
I am, of course, just trying to find out how amoral you are!	kayecy	Mar 2012	#144
so now the internet has a crystal ball?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#146
Since you appear to have difficulty using Google I will help you. ..........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#147
Time magazine? and "senior israeli official' Atlantic Magazine....LOL.I got some too!!	pelsar	Mar 2012	#149
Now this is the crux of our differences....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#152
your challenge...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#153
Where is your moral responsibility to your kids now?........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#154
authoritative reference.....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#155
And your considered opinion is still that Israel should proceed to attack Iran?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#156
i'm still asking about the "authorities" of YOURs	pelsar	Mar 2012	#157
I am still waiting for even one authoritative refeence from you!	kayecy	Mar 2012	#158
as i understand your "authorities are"	pelsar	Mar 2012	#159
Why do you deliberately falsify my statements?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#160
my mistake on the lebanon "welcoming the PLO"....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#161
it (Israel) deliberately, indiscriminately and recklessly bombed civilian targets .........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#162
i think this i going to be difficult for you to understand....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#163
Please rephrase any of the above statements you disagree with.	kayecy	Mar 2012	#164
thats it?...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#165
Hitler thought he knew what would happen when he invaded Russia....He was wrong.....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#166
your confusing....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#167
Have you considered the possible negative outcomes?...	kayecy	Mar 2012	#168
the difference of the ideologue vs the open mind....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#169
Why are you avoiding answering the simple question I put to you?	kayecy	Mar 2012	#170
simple research....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#171
You have misunderstood me.....I am not asking questions.....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#172
where do you think i do my research?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#173
......and the results of any israeli attack are ambigious......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#174
no no no...talk about 100% avoidance.....the mantra has zero credibility	pelsar	Mar 2012	#175
My answer was also clear............	kayecy	Mar 2012	#177
what good would an israeli retaliatory attack do?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#178
Why do you persist in deliberately misunderstanding me?......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#181
Kayecy, why do you persist in defining an Israeli strike on nuclear facilities...	shira	Mar 2012	#182
....60 million+ dead, the enslavement on Eastern Europe in your eyes was the moral choice?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#183
Pelsar...Do you believe Iran has the right to attack Israel?....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#184
ah...so you don't like it when I speculate, but you can predict?	pelsar	Mar 2012	#185
It is not a question of like or dislike, merely that historical speculation is a waste of time......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#186
your asking if israel has done "immoral things".....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#187
I suggest you were merely expressing your own opinion ........	kayecy	Mar 2012	#188
yes israel simple believes the iranian government...	pelsar	Mar 2012	#189
is this "illegal" business just another of your uninformed opinions?......	kayecy	Mar 2012	#190
of course its my own "idiosyncratic opinion".....its my ethics and my morals...	pelsar	Apr 2012	#191
You are making the same assumptions that Hitler made…	kayecy	Apr 2012	#194
my opinions actually carry more weight than some one i don't know...	pelsar	Apr 2012	#195
And what about the settlements?...	kayecy	Apr 2012	#196
i thought it was clear that neither your nor i can read the future....	pelsar	Apr 2012	#197
Has Israel shown any intention of ever returning to the Green-Line?	kayecy	Apr 2012	#198
you pose a classic ethical question here.	Shaktimaan	Mar 2012	#176
An ethical question - yes, but your response is most unethical.....	kayecy	Mar 2012	#179
Kayecy, Iran is behind Hezbollah, Hamas, and P.I.J. rocket attacks on Israel now....	shira	Mar 2012	#180
interesting.	Shaktimaan	Apr 2012	#192
Your scenario is interesting but of no relevance…….	kayecy	Apr 2012	#193
Is that a rhetorical question or are you geniunely asking?	oberliner	Feb 2012	#9
Apparently not rhetorical	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#11
I just alerted on it, Obie...	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#21
From the OP...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#13
So, you think Israel would be totally justified in demolishing those solar panels and wind turbines?	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#18
I think that ANYONE	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#19
Well, that's a pretty callous viewpoint.	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#20
And your viewpoint is disingenuous	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#22
That's not my viewpoint yr describing....	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#23
+10000	stockholmer	Feb 2012	#29
Thank you. I think it was worth a +eventy billion, though!	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#33
You aren't seriously arguing that building solar panels is about "Demonizing Israel".	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#47
Israel is clearly the victim here. It's kind of a "forced demonization".	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#93
Ah..you've uncovered the diabolical plot.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#99
Why do they have to make peace before they can build any infrastructure?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#49
The solar panels do no harm. There's no way that they could threaten Israeli security.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#46
Not when its a harmless, green power grid.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#48
Israel is guilty...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#50
Granted, a lot of countries have bureaucracy	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#51
That would mean no NGO could build a power grid in Somalia	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#53
Try it sometime...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#55
Here's the rub, though	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#57
Pretty much the West Bank, as long as you're Jewish Israeli.	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#94
Haha. +1.	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#119
There wasnt a lot of electricity around in Ottoman times...	shaayecanaan	Feb 2012	#64
Form over substance...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#14
Same BS anti-Israel demonization. Different day. Apparently, haters need their daily fix. N/T	shira	Feb 2012	#25
Why the obsession over the permitting process? And what difference does "the legal framework" make?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#52
It's the law. The EU can't just do anything it wants in area C...	shira	Feb 2012	#54
Why can't the Israeli side admit that, in a situation like this, where the construction is harmless	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#58
You didn't answer my question, Ken. The EU is deliberately being provocative.	shira	Feb 2012	#59
detestable? That's a bit harsh	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#61
Yes, the EU is playing games with people's lives...	shira	Feb 2012	#62
Palestinians should be used to it by now.	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#66
The EU isn't trying to harm Israel. Not filling out these forms doesn't threaten Israel.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#69
Whom are you talking to?	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#71
What is the risk?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#67
If it's in a military Occupation zone, an area that's certain to end up in Palestine anyway	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#70
I'd be REALLY curious to hear...	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#72
Is there some reason that it's more threatening to have them install them in Area C?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#73
Do you think being deliberately obtuse is cute? NT	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#75
I'm not being obtuse.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#80
our natural desire to make those not in power miserable---wow	pelsar	Feb 2012	#120
The natural desire of ANYONE in power to make anyone out of power miserable	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#127
its a universal dumb statement....	pelsar	Mar 2012	#145
And if it includes you, it also includes me, since I'm also of this earth	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#148
position of this kind of power.	pelsar	Mar 2012	#150
Still avoiding the issues through personal attacks on me	Ken Burch	Mar 2012	#151
It's because the Israelis employ	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#95
Haaretz has picked up this story today.	Matilda	Feb 2012	#28
Those anti-semitic haters over at Haaretz!	Crunchy Frog	Feb 2012	#30
Double standard time. Nasty antisemitic comments exist on the FGM and BDS facebook pages...	shira	Feb 2012	#35
Obviously mistranslations.... NT	holdencaufield	Feb 2012	#56
Leftwingers are incapable of that kind of hatred and racism. n/t	shira	Feb 2012	#60
Left-wingers were fighting Hitler and Mussolini while most of the Right were backing them	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#68
true we love war.... most important to us..we need it	pelsar	Feb 2012	#78
The government, NOT the people-the two are not the same in ANY democratic society	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#79
in israel the government is made up of citizens	pelsar	Feb 2012	#81
I was saying the political class, not the people as a whole	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#82
your slander israeli citizens....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#83
I read about her in that entry...but don't know enough about her to have an opinion	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#84
when you stop slandering...i'll move on	pelsar	Feb 2012	#85
It's not "slandering" simply to make an observation-Clearly it applies to most of the government	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#89
what i take "personally" is your slandering of a main stream politicians..as if they are monsters.	pelsar	Feb 2012	#96
I looked at the list. It doesn't really tell you that much.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#97
the list of the knesset members are regular israelis....	pelsar	Feb 2012	#100
What do you think my stance is?	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#101
Ken, do you realize that the top government officials you're slamming....	shira	Feb 2012	#103
I don't think they(the leaders) put peace first, by any standard.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#104
You didn't answer me directly. Your response didn't mention anything about..	shira	Feb 2012	#105
I did answer directly. I just didn't answer simply	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#108
Have you ever considered that Israel's leaders don't see eye to eye with you?	shira	Feb 2012	#109
Well, yes, obviously they see the situation differently. That goes without saying.	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#112
So that doesn't mean they "need" the conflict to continue...	shira	Feb 2012	#113
It can mean both	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#114
why should i think the Palestinians leadership wants peace?	pelsar	Feb 2012	#106
You will never get straight answers to that post from any "pro Palestinian" advocate here. n/t	shira	Feb 2012	#110
Again with the "We"--I was NEVER attacking you as an individual	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#102
what are you basing this on?	Shaktimaan	Feb 2012	#90
They don't have to say it out loud...it's in all their actions	Ken Burch	Feb 2012	#98
The problem is, and I have pointed this out countless times	Harmony Blue	Feb 2012	#92

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