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azurnoir

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96. I concede that however did Mandela ever condemn Tutu for his statements? in reply to your query
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:32 PM
Dec 2013

here from Mandela himself

However, as my distinguished predecessor and colleague, the late Oliver Tambo, stated in Lusaka in 1989, we ask you, in your relationship with the ANC, to focus on our shared goals in South Africa. As South Africans we should avoid being drawn into conflicts and tensions arising from the agendas of others beyond our shores.

Democracy, respect for democratic norms, the rule of law, and an entrenched bill of rights are the surest guarantee of the security and well-being of the Jewish and every other minority community in South Africa. The demography of our country dictates that democracy inevitably entails a government led by the black majority.

I would like to end my remarks with a special appeal, addressed particularly to those among you who may sometimes feel the waves of despondency engulfing you when you contemplate the fraught transition our country is passing through.

There is much that we have achieved. Five years ago many of my comrades aiid I were in prison with very little prospect of being released.

http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=4096

Mandela Was an Enemy of Israel [View all] shaayecanaan Dec 2013 OP
sigh, an enabler of anti-semitism? The man is dead, even Newt Gingrich has stood Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #1
he was an enemy of oppression, not of people. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #2
Far right-wing extremist settler website oberliner Dec 2013 #3
strange ... Israeli Dec 2013 #34
Where does shira cite to israelnational news? aranthus Dec 2013 #51
shira constantly cites to American right wing web sites and blogs aranthus Israeli Dec 2013 #63
The issue was extremist settler websites like Israel National News. aranthus Dec 2013 #98
He was an enemy of apartheid. nt tsuki Dec 2013 #4
Nelson Mandela was close to Jews, resolutely loyal to Palestinians King_David Dec 2013 #5
I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure border King_David Dec 2013 #6
Never once did Mandela say Israel practiced apartheid vs. Palestinians... shira Dec 2013 #9
19 October 1999 Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #13
Well it never came from an OP King_David Dec 2013 #17
Jewish world mourns Nelson Mandela King_David Dec 2013 #7
Nelson Mandela and the Israel-Palestinian Conflict King_David Dec 2013 #8
South African and U.S. Leaders Dismayed over Mandela’s Remarks shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #10
The push back on this one oughta be good. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #12
Have a look shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #26
This really should be posted as on OP in GD too..it is excellent history of the man. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #27
My favourite part was at 8:42 shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #28
Much worse now,imo. It is beyond contempt, actually. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #29
Post it in GD if you like... shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #33
It was a very complicated relationship King_David Dec 2013 #18
Mandela said what he meant about Israeli policy and what Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #23
what was complicated? Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #49
It was a matter of opportunity, not complicated at all. All states do what is in Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #53
really? Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #54
I beg your pardon? If SA's support does not yield a viable state for the Palestinians, it Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #55
SA doesn't give a shit about the palestinians. Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #58
okay, I read the link. Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #56
So it is disingenuous support, is that your opinion? Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #57
I certainly hope so. Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #59
Can you explain what you mean..I am at a loss here understanding your point. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #60
Well Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #62
None of that "help" would have brought forth a viable Palestinian state..you understand Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #73
I must ask just where do you get this (dis)information from? azurnoir Dec 2013 #74
Genuine pro-Palestinian advocates would know that Jordan has been revoking citizenship.... shira Dec 2013 #92
your link pertains to 50 years ago nearly 2 million Palestinians have Jordanian citizenship today azurnoir Dec 2013 #94
Nope, it refers to Jordan revoking Palestinian citizenship since 1988. shira Dec 2013 #97
Ha ha ha! geek tragedy Dec 2013 #20
He was not an enemy of Israel. bravenak Dec 2013 #11
Netanyahu won't be attending Mandela's funeral -too expensive azurnoir Dec 2013 #14
So now he's watchng the purse strings? lol Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #22
Peres cant go - has still got a touch of the sniffles... shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #15
with apologies to oberliner...... Israeli Dec 2013 #16
Damned if you do, damned if you don't oberliner Dec 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #32
Nope. Mandela never said Israel was an apartheid state. n/t shira Dec 2013 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #38
Barak? You lied when you claimed Israeli law guarantees a Jewish majority. shira Dec 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #40
That ruling was in 1999 about election laws. So to what law was he referring.... shira Dec 2013 #41
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Nice debate. n/t shira Dec 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #45
Have you ever heard the phrase, "the exception that proves the rule?" Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #50
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Yeah debate. And you lied right from the start when you claimed.... shira Dec 2013 #76
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Here's one post right here... shira Dec 2013 #80
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Apartheid era South Africa was also a democracy as was the Jim Crow era US azurnoir Dec 2013 #82
But you're so desperate as to accuse Israel of apartheid within the green line.... shira Dec 2013 #83
inside the greenline?-are you finally admitting that Israel does commit apartheid in the WB azurnoir Dec 2013 #84
wait - are u saying now there is no apartheid within the green line? n/t shira Dec 2013 #85
I asked if you were admitting to Israel committing apatheid in the WB azurnoir Dec 2013 #86
Of course not. No apartheid in the W.Bank... shira Dec 2013 #87
so having one set of laws for Israelis and another for Palestinians is not apartheid well okay then azurnoir Dec 2013 #88
Now that u mention it...it's odd u maintain apartheid within the green line.... shira Dec 2013 #89
excerpt of letter from Mandela to Thomas Freidman azurnoir Dec 2013 #90
Nice try, but that letter is a hoax. Irshad Manji and Joel Pollak busted the guy... shira Dec 2013 #91
I concede that however did Mandela ever condemn Tutu for his statements? in reply to your query azurnoir Dec 2013 #96
Wow oberliner Dec 2013 #95
U don't think you have a feel for the Jewish State at ALL King_David Dec 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #66
Ha ha ha ha King_David Dec 2013 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #68
. King_David Dec 2013 #71
Wait, seriously? Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #70
Soooo? Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #75
Livni got out of it to oberliner .... Israeli Dec 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Dec 2013 #19
FarRightSettlersNews - what do you expect? LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #21
The question is: why post RW garbage? oberliner Dec 2013 #25
again .... Israeli Dec 2013 #37
Of course oberliner Dec 2013 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #79
How Dare Israeli Leaders Mourn Mandela? polly7 Dec 2013 #48
This guy doesn't support his argument. Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #52
this guy ? Israeli Dec 2013 #64
All one state advocates are assholes, including Warschawski... shira Dec 2013 #93
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