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Scootaloo

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37. Well then why are you calling it apartheid?
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:27 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Because when you try that argument, that's exactly what you're claiming, that the Bedouin are dominating Israel and oppressing the others who live there.

It's a rhetorical question, you're calling it apartheid because, since you didn't know what the fuck apartheid meant until just now, you thought it was just a "bad word" you could throw against critics of Israel as a "gotcha!" argument. Must sting that this attempt just made you look pretty ignorant.

Should the southern Bedouin get to ignore the laws of the state of Israel? I like how broadly you state that. As if the Bedouin are just trying to live under mass anarchy, ignore everything, all the time! utter lawlessness! Of course, that's hardly the case at all, is it? We're just talking about a law regarding use of state land. Not "The laws of the state of Israel" but rather, an Israeli law. I'm sure you understand the difference.

Should the Bedouin get to ignore this particular law? Well, at the moment, were they to follow the law, it would essentially mean the abandonment of their culture, which is defined by a seminomadic, pastoral way of life. If a law exists that essentially tells an entire culture to drop dead, that's a bad law that should not be followed. So I can't blame them for not doing so. That said, I do understand Israel's concerns about both the preservation of natural areas, and worries over some of the places the Bedouin move into - military ranges and landfills are a bad place for anyone, right?

The solution, I think, is for Israel to work with the Bedouin community to figure out a way to preserve their way of life and nomadic traditions, while still protecting both natural reserves and the well-being of these people. That is, make allowances within the law for this indigenous, nomadic community's use of the land, with some checks and strictures for the preservation of the land and safety of everyone involved.

This is how civilized nations (and even a few "uncivilized" nations) handle their nomadic cultures. If cruel, repressive, authoritarian China permits nomadic use of state lands and internal tribal sovereignty for its dozen-odd nomadic ethnic groups - even within such tight-fisted areas as Tibet and Xinjiang - then surely Israel can figure it out as well, right?

Or perhaps, you'll argue that China's off its rocker and should have continued its relocation programs from the 1970's.

Point is, I think the human interest - that is, the preservation of a distinct culture and way of life - is worth more than blind adherence to the exact letter of the law for the sheer sake of following the law.

Bibi made a fool out of himself at the UN. K&R n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2013 #1
Strange... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #2
In his current role as PM Netanyahu is azurnoir Oct 2013 #3
so your for apartheid.... pelsar Oct 2013 #4
do you understand what apatrtheid means? here is more from the OP for those not unerstaning azurnoir Oct 2013 #5
a former social system in South Africa oberliner Oct 2013 #6
seems you left out a good eal of your own link azurnoir Oct 2013 #7
Thanks oberliner Oct 2013 #23
i understand that apartheid is a very fluid concept pelsar Oct 2013 #9
Even for you, that was a sad attempt at an argument Scootaloo Oct 2013 #8
you too? dont like have one of your "holy writs" challenged? pelsar Oct 2013 #10
Defending the who do what, now? Scootaloo Oct 2013 #11
Do you agree with the NAACP about apartheid in New Haven, CT? shira Oct 2013 #12
oh keep hammering that literary title to defend actual legal apartheid in Israel azurnoir Oct 2013 #14
Oh, you say it's defacto apartheid in New Haven, CT? Well ,that's still apartheid.... shira Oct 2013 #16
so simple, and BTW there is a difference between legal or figurative use of the term apartheid azurnoir Oct 2013 #17
"actual legal apartheid in Israel" King_David Oct 2013 #20
it case you can not understand here is a glaring example azurnoir Oct 2013 #21
Labeling of the Jewish State as an apartheid state is not legitimate criticism of Israel King_David Oct 2013 #40
The chart below came from an Israeli source sorry if you can't accept that azurnoir Oct 2013 #41
Here's visual that also illistrates another facet of apartheid in the West Bank azurnoir Oct 2013 #22
No, the NAACP isn't. Pelsar is, and his argument has nothing in common with the NAACP's. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #24
actually your wrong again.......... pelsar Oct 2013 #28
So you want to argue that the bedouin are dominating and oppressing the Jews in Israel? Scootaloo Oct 2013 #31
no...i'm just questioning pelsar Oct 2013 #32
Well then why are you calling it apartheid? Scootaloo Oct 2013 #37
its very simple.... pelsar Oct 2013 #13
so the Bedouin just showed up one day recently ? Can you give us a date when that happened? azurnoir Oct 2013 #15
thats not what i asked now is it? pelsar Oct 2013 #18
by going on about Bedouin "getting to build anywhere they wish" azurnoir Oct 2013 #19
yes more or less pelsar Oct 2013 #26
The Bedouin of the village Umm Al-Hiran mentioned in the OP were expelled an sent to that spot by azurnoir Oct 2013 #34
what happened? pelsar Oct 2013 #35
you posit that these are squatters that just showed up I just showed how very untrue that is ETA azurnoir Oct 2013 #36
Azurnoir made a point below that's worth repeating Scootaloo Oct 2013 #25
so now you get asked... pelsar Oct 2013 #27
I was unaware that Christianity was an ethnicity Scootaloo Oct 2013 #30
thats because your ethno centric pelsar Oct 2013 #33
Well, here's the problem with this perspective... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #39
thats a first... pelsar Oct 2013 #42
Interesting your exchange here and one I had with another poster last week azurnoir Oct 2013 #38
This will continue as long as the hawks recieve funding. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #29
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