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shira

(30,109 posts)
Tue May 28, 2013, 04:12 PM May 2013

What does Israel’s Arab minority really think? [View all]

There is a huge difference between the responses of ordinary Israeli Arabs and the typical discourse of the Arab elite.

The picture is thus complicated, and the fundamental attitude of the Arab minority towards the State appears to be deeply ambivalent. But given the prolonged national conflict, with no end in sight at this point, this ambivalence should be regarded as good news. The Arab parties express the negative aspect of this ambivalence well enough; but anyone reading the survey will notice that the other aspect exists as well, and it is not at all negligible.

Proud to be Israeli. Some 44.5 per cent of Arab citizens (compared with 89 per cent of Jewish Israelis) answered affirmatively when asked whether they are ‘proud to be Israeli’ (14.1 per cent ‘very proud’, 30.4 per cent ‘quite proud’, 20.4 per cent ‘not so proud’ and 29.3 per cent ‘not at all proud’). This reflects a decline from last year, when 52.8 per cent of Arabs responded positively, but it is still within the normal fluctuations over the last decade (between more than 40 and more than 50 per cent). Some argue that a state that defines itself as Jewish cannot, by definition, inspire feelings of patriotism among its Arab citizens – these findings tell a different story. It should be noted that the expression the survey uses is not ‘Israeli citizen’ but ‘Israeli’. In theory this should be the same thing, but in fact, everyone living in Israel knows that both Jews and Arabs often use the term ‘Israeli’ as a synonym for an ‘Israeli Jew’.

To my knowledge, none of the leaders of the Arab public would adopt the label ‘Israeli’, and many reject this term explicitly. The Arab leadership also rejects the term ‘Israeli Arab’ because it sounds too Israeli. The acceptable alternative is not ‘Palestinian Israeli’ or ‘Israeli Palestinian’ but ‘Arab Palestinian citizen of Israel,’ or ‘(Arab) Palestinian in Israel’. Under these conditions, the willingness of slightly less and sometimes slightly more than a half of the Arab public to adopt the label ‘Israeli’ and express pride in it is of great significance. A few years ago I spoke with a group of British journalists who questioned me about the situation of Arab citizens of Israel. After dealing with various specific points, I asked them: do you suppose that 45 per cent of Catholics in Northern Ireland would be prepared to say ‘I am proud to be British’? One of them replied, ‘I don’t believe there are 45 Catholics in Northern Ireland who are willing to say I am proud to be British, never mind 45 per cent.’ Of course, he may have been exaggerating.

Israeli democracy. In relation to Israeli democracy, 44 per cent of Arab respondents say Israel’s democracy is at the ‘appropriate level’, 7.8 per cent say Israel is ‘too democratic’, 37.2 per cent said it is ‘not democratic enough’ and only 11 per cent that it is ‘not democratic enough by far’. The last answer corresponds to what is routinely said by virtually the entire Arab leadership. In fact, the ‘vision documents’ of the Arab leadership claim that Israel is not a democracy at all. That is not the opinion of the Arab public.

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What does an Iranian Jew really think? shaayecanaan May 2013 #1
LOL - do you expect Persian Jews in Iran to criticize the regime, Palestinians.... shira May 2013 #2
You're not very subtle, are you? shaayecanaan May 2013 #3
Excuse me? aranthus May 2013 #4
No shaayecanaan May 2013 #7
you think that ... Israeli May 2013 #11
you seem really hung up on terminology. Mosby May 2013 #13
sorry Mosby Israeli May 2013 #15
Poll: 75% of Israeli Arabs support Jewish, democratic constitution shira May 2013 #16
Yes, Palestinian citizens of Israel have certainly been accomodating... shaayecanaan May 2013 #19
they were a decade ago when the NYT article was published or 7 years ago when azurnoir May 2013 #21
That is very interesting... shaayecanaan May 2013 #29
well there are indeed a few interpretations azurnoir May 2013 #30
well logic could indicate that perhaps there is no hive mind amongst Israeli Arabs azurnoir May 2013 #62
wow talk about condescending..... pelsar May 2013 #31
"Men should either be treated generously or destroyed" shaayecanaan May 2013 #35
who decided the Machiavelli is god? pelsar May 2013 #37
Machiavelli's viewpoint isn't "simple". delrem May 2013 #38
i reject simplistic solutions to complex political problems... pelsar May 2013 #44
yet you say the most simple and empty things! delrem May 2013 #45
i keep them simple...for those who think simply pelsar May 2013 #70
lie Machiavelli. heh he delrem May 2013 #74
nope Israeli May 2013 #34
Do you mean Motamed? oberliner May 2013 #5
I hope that wasn't the highlight of your day (nt) shaayecanaan May 2013 #6
Can you provide a citation for that quote? oberliner May 2013 #9
I found all that stuff and more via google, in just a couple minutes. delrem May 2013 #10
Me too oberliner May 2013 #12
True Jews Hate Israel Mosby May 2013 #14
I need more proof than some words credited to "dotandcalm", that this was said. delrem May 2013 #39
I was only interested in tracking down the source of this: delrem May 2013 #17
There are many Persian Jews in America and Israel.... shira May 2013 #18
More Persian Jews went to the US than Israel... shaayecanaan May 2013 #20
Why do you think that is? Seriously. n/t shira May 2013 #23
Well, I don't like to speak for an entire community of people... shaayecanaan May 2013 #36
Same weather, same language ,same beaches King_David May 2013 #25
They speak Farsi in the United States? shaayecanaan May 2013 #28
Jews from Australia and South Africa. nt King_David May 2013 #71
So, why do you think Israel hasn't bombed living shit out of Iran, yet? delrem May 2013 #22
Because they don't want to bomb the shit out of Iran shira May 2013 #24
islamist country, zionist country, both suck for minorities. delrem May 2013 #32
You pretend not to know the difference b/w a free vs. a closed society.... shira May 2013 #42
pure ad hominem dreck. pfffooooeeeyy! delrem May 2013 #46
Educate yourself on free vs. closed societies... shira May 2013 #86
Where's the sarcasm icon? delrem May 2013 #8
Telling Israel like it is — in Arabic shira May 2013 #26
An officer and a Muslim Zionist shira May 2013 #27
he is not shira Israeli May 2013 #43
Yes he is shira Jun 2013 #91
whoa, a full-on hasbara onslaught on the theme "Arab Israelis love to be subordinate". delrem May 2013 #33
Do you really find it hard to believe leftynyc May 2013 #40
yes, it is hard for him to believe... shira May 2013 #41
Sad leftynyc May 2013 #48
more ad hominem dreck. pffffooooeeeey! delrem May 2013 #51
Nothing ad hominem leftynyc May 2013 #54
"I thought progressives fight for women's rights - I guess unless they hate the right people.." delrem May 2013 #55
LOL - but nothing to say leftynyc May 2013 #56
as I said: pure ad hominem lying dreck. Q. E. bloody D. delrem May 2013 #57
Lying? leftynyc May 2013 #58
liar! You lie about me! LIAR! delrem May 2013 #59
You're hilarious leftynyc May 2013 #63
you're now on ignore. for reason stated. delrem May 2013 #60
Fine with me leftynyc May 2013 #64
That is so very kind of you to point these things out azurnoir May 2013 #61
If they voted at all leftynyc May 2013 #65
ah so your now claiming the women of Gaza are either azurnoir May 2013 #67
By law they're entitled to vote leftynyc May 2013 #68
the women of Gaza can only vote for who the men tell them too? again link please azurnoir May 2013 #69
Do you need a link to prove that leftynyc May 2013 #72
it would seem you are reduced to false accusations -yet again azurnoir May 2013 #73
I have no idea what you're talking about leftynyc May 2013 #75
when it comes to Syria here is what I'm talking about azurnoir May 2013 #76
So trusting you are oberliner May 2013 #77
No it was from Ynet but do keep trying :) azurnoir May 2013 #78
Ynet? oberliner May 2013 #79
I did in the comment that originated this exchange azurnoir May 2013 #80
That's the one that cites the Times of London oberliner May 2013 #81
of course I read it, however are you claiming thatYnet prints falsehoods azurnoir May 2013 #82
Hamas cuts ties with Assad and sends military to train rebels azurnoir May 2013 #83
It's nice you can tell the good guys leftynyc May 2013 #84
Interesting as it seems very likely that Hamas is indeed training the FSA azurnoir May 2013 #85
I don't do false accusations leftynyc May 2013 #87
ah ya okay azurnoir May 2013 #89
Not answering a straight question leftynyc Jun 2013 #90
pssst sabbat hunter May 2013 #88
Do you really think all the 25000 Iranian Jews are male??? delrem May 2013 #47
I'm not sure what your leftynyc May 2013 #49
Then read the thread you're interjecting in, please, then try again. delrem May 2013 #50
I did read it leftynyc May 2013 #52
You lie. I didn't say that. delrem May 2013 #53
Yawn leftynyc May 2013 #66
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