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In reply to the discussion: UK raises concerns over Israel's treatment of Palestinian children [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)69. You're still ignoring the obvious.....why? I'll remind you again...
1. Annan and Moon, the last two secretary generals (leaders) of the UN said the UNHRC's obsession with Israel is bad for the rest of the world. What do you have to say about that? You disagree? If so, why? These guys aren't shlubs you ignore if they're pounding away at Israel. Now when you see they've delegitimized the UNHRC (not that putting Iran on the Women's Rights commission, among other things, delegitimizes them) you have nothing to say.
2. I gave you damning evidence in my last post to you - evidence you completely ignored. You said the main problem, if there's a problem at all with HR groups, is if they ever falsify reports. Well here's one of the latest examples of many...
I'll give you just one example in which all the major NGO's like HRW and AI, along with the UNHRC falsified allegations vs. Israel. It's an easy one. Look no further than Goldstone's retraction of the charge that Israel intentionally targeted civilians as a matter of policy. Now you may not believe him, but that crushes UNHRC credibility. That was the main conclusion of the report. The UNHRC stood by that even though they had no evidence backing it up. Worse, AI and HRW didn't argue against Goldstone. And in fact, they DISTANCED themselves from their earlier allegations of Israeli malice WRT targeting civilians. THEY fed Goldstone's commission with all those allegations. They NEVER once commented critically against that major allegation once the Goldstone Report was released. Only when Goldstone spilled the beans did they try to clumsily cover their tracks.
It's all here in this one damning article that footnotes all the lies...
http://volokh.com/2011/04/06/human-rights-watch-lies-re-goldstone-retraction/
It's all here in this one damning article that footnotes all the lies...
http://volokh.com/2011/04/06/human-rights-watch-lies-re-goldstone-retraction/
You can whine and cry all you want about Goldstone's retraction. The thing is, HRW and AI went right along with Goldstone's retraction. They said they never agreed that Israel targeted Palestinians as a matter of policy, which was the main conclusion of the Goldstone Commission. So all you really have are the other members of the Goldstone Commission, going up against not only Goldstone but also HRW and AI. Neither you or them can let go of a good demonization narrative. It's all about demonization of israel for you, not the Palestinians.
The link provided for you (volokh.com) has quotes from HRW that can easily be found with a simple google search. They show both HRW and AI in harmony with Goldstone's original allegations. Allegations they backed away from once he recanted.
IOW, they all lied. And rather than admit it, they're trying to weasel their way out. But that's too much for you. They can't just back down from a good demonization effort. That's what you're angry about, not their obvious lies.
And you're pretending it's just all about Goldstone and that the link provided proves nothing about HRW and AI lies (as well as the UNHRC which employed Goldstone).
Hilarious.
I knew that no amount of evidence provided to you (or your like minded friends here) would ever be enough to convince you.
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UK raises concerns over Israel's treatment of Palestinian children [View all]
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
OP
The Palestinian children – alone and bewildered – in Israel's Al Jalame jail
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#1
Yeah, but that's all been trumped by the compelling arguments put forward....
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#7
You're missing the point. The source for these questionable claims is an organization...
shira
Jan 2012
#8
Yr insisting that the claims of mistreatment of children aren't true. Try supporting that argument..
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#16
Not at all. The real issue here is the propping up of fake human rights organizations...
shira
Jan 2012
#20
The Israeli government saw it that way..no other human rights group agreed.
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#21
Jabarin's organization is quoted as stating terror (resistance) is legitimate under Int'l Law...
shira
Jan 2012
#38
It's not just that quote. Jabarin's Al-Haq rarely condemns terror attacks on Israeli civilians...
shira
Jan 2012
#50
I don't expect you to do anything but adhere to the Israeli government line.
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#53
Oh, the main concern for you is not that other nations are ignored by the UNHRC...
shira
Jan 2012
#64
I already addressed Ki-moon's statements..you don't like what I said, too bad.
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#70
shira the document you claim AI has removed (huge link)is easily availible on their website
azurnoir
Jan 2012
#74
Oh good! I googled the quote and only found it in PDF form with a quick view option...
shira
Jan 2012
#75
No, the real issue here is the mistreatment of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#27
When apologists for Jew hating murderers claim anything against Israel, it's suspect...
shira
Jan 2012
#31
So you don't actually have anything at all to back up yr claims that kids aren't being mistreated...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#34
There is a simple test to determine if you're a humanitarian racist, don't ya know this Violet?
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#10
It's engaging in negative stereotyping of an entire people, that's what's wrong with it...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#17
Yes, it is. It would be if it was aimed at Israelis, and it's the same when aimed at Palestinians...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#28
Complete and utter bullshit. The PLO does NOT say the murdering of Jews is legitimate....
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#35
All I've seen so far is yr opinion, based on the opinions of zealoted American 'pro-Israel' groups..
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#68
Where and how often have you exposed the profoundly murderous ( Islamaphobic) worldview
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#22
Your response is very interesting and likely explains why you posted the OP in the first place. n/t
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#26
So you're denying murderous antisemitism is a significant problem in the Palestinian territories?
shira
Jan 2012
#32
Cell 36: Palestinian children locked in solitary confinement in Israel - video
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2012
#12
15 Jan. '12: Judge holds confession of Palestinian minor admissible, although it was obtained
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#42
so confessions 'coerced ' from Palestinian minors (chilldren) are okay in Israel
azurnoir
Jan 2012
#43