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shira

(30,109 posts)
69. You're still ignoring the obvious.....why? I'll remind you again...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:38 AM
Jan 2012

1. Annan and Moon, the last two secretary generals (leaders) of the UN said the UNHRC's obsession with Israel is bad for the rest of the world. What do you have to say about that? You disagree? If so, why? These guys aren't shlubs you ignore if they're pounding away at Israel. Now when you see they've delegitimized the UNHRC (not that putting Iran on the Women's Rights commission, among other things, delegitimizes them) you have nothing to say.



2. I gave you damning evidence in my last post to you - evidence you completely ignored. You said the main problem, if there's a problem at all with HR groups, is if they ever falsify reports. Well here's one of the latest examples of many...

I'll give you just one example in which all the major NGO's like HRW and AI, along with the UNHRC falsified allegations vs. Israel. It's an easy one. Look no further than Goldstone's retraction of the charge that Israel intentionally targeted civilians as a matter of policy. Now you may not believe him, but that crushes UNHRC credibility. That was the main conclusion of the report. The UNHRC stood by that even though they had no evidence backing it up. Worse, AI and HRW didn't argue against Goldstone. And in fact, they DISTANCED themselves from their earlier allegations of Israeli malice WRT targeting civilians. THEY fed Goldstone's commission with all those allegations. They NEVER once commented critically against that major allegation once the Goldstone Report was released. Only when Goldstone spilled the beans did they try to clumsily cover their tracks.

It's all here in this one damning article that footnotes all the lies...
http://volokh.com/2011/04/06/human-rights-watch-lies-re-goldstone-retraction/


You can whine and cry all you want about Goldstone's retraction. The thing is, HRW and AI went right along with Goldstone's retraction. They said they never agreed that Israel targeted Palestinians as a matter of policy, which was the main conclusion of the Goldstone Commission. So all you really have are the other members of the Goldstone Commission, going up against not only Goldstone but also HRW and AI. Neither you or them can let go of a good demonization narrative. It's all about demonization of israel for you, not the Palestinians.

The link provided for you (volokh.com) has quotes from HRW that can easily be found with a simple google search. They show both HRW and AI in harmony with Goldstone's original allegations. Allegations they backed away from once he recanted.

IOW, they all lied. And rather than admit it, they're trying to weasel their way out. But that's too much for you. They can't just back down from a good demonization effort. That's what you're angry about, not their obvious lies.

And you're pretending it's just all about Goldstone and that the link provided proves nothing about HRW and AI lies (as well as the UNHRC which employed Goldstone).

Hilarious.

I knew that no amount of evidence provided to you (or your like minded friends here) would ever be enough to convince you.
The Palestinian children – alone and bewildered – in Israel's Al Jalame jail Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #1
Shackled, and this from the beacon of democracy in the ME. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #3
Guardian Report Misses the Real Child Abuse – 2 shira Jan 2012 #4
Documentation goes back many years. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #6
Yeah, but that's all been trumped by the compelling arguments put forward.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #7
You're missing the point. The source for these questionable claims is an organization... shira Jan 2012 #8
Nah, that'd fall under point #2.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #11
So you have no problem with known terrorists sitting on the board... shira Jan 2012 #15
Yr insisting that the claims of mistreatment of children aren't true. Try supporting that argument.. Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #16
Not at all. The real issue here is the propping up of fake human rights organizations... shira Jan 2012 #20
The Israeli government saw it that way..no other human rights group agreed. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #21
So Jabarin is a former Jew hater who has renounced his antisemitism... shira Jan 2012 #23
You prefer to write your questions in the affirmative as if the charge Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #25
There's no question Jabarin once headed the PFLP.... shira Jan 2012 #30
What you ignore is the pertinent information about the Israeli Court. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #37
Jabarin's organization is quoted as stating terror (resistance) is legitimate under Int'l Law... shira Jan 2012 #38
Again you presume he was found guilty Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #39
No, I'm now going only by that quote that legitimizes terror... shira Jan 2012 #40
What quote? n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #41
Here it is... shira Jan 2012 #46
Seriously, read your own material closer next time. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #47
It's not just that quote. Jabarin's Al-Haq rarely condemns terror attacks on Israeli civilians... shira Jan 2012 #50
You're a regualar riot Alice. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #51
So despite the above, you really believe shira Jan 2012 #52
I don't expect you to do anything but adhere to the Israeli government line. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #53
So you can't defend Jabarin for his inhumane worldview... shira Jan 2012 #54
He doesn't have an inhumane worldview, Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #55
Right. It's humane to look the other way and virtually ignore... shira Jan 2012 #56
I get it, you hate them..ALL of the human rights groups. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #57
No, I get that you have little regard for human rights... shira Jan 2012 #58
You do have respect for those human rights group? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #59
Respect for human rights in general is not the same as respect... shira Jan 2012 #60
All those human rights groups you hate have an excellent Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #61
Wow, I was right. You can't even criticize the UNHRC... shira Jan 2012 #62
Do you EVER read what you post? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #63
Oh, the main concern for you is not that other nations are ignored by the UNHRC... shira Jan 2012 #64
No. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #65
So you don't believe Annan and Ban WRT the UNHRC focusing on Israel.... shira Jan 2012 #66
It may be lost to you that Obama does not hold the view you do Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #67
You're still ignoring the obvious.....why? I'll remind you again... shira Jan 2012 #69
I already addressed Ki-moon's statements..you don't like what I said, too bad. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #70
You ignored both Annan and Moon... shira Jan 2012 #71
I answered your questions shira, you don't agree with what Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #72
You answered with more obfuscation. That doesn't equate to answering direct... shira Jan 2012 #73
shira the document you claim AI has removed (huge link)is easily availible on their website azurnoir Jan 2012 #74
Oh good! I googled the quote and only found it in PDF form with a quick view option... shira Jan 2012 #75
really you need to read what AI said azurnoir Jan 2012 #76
No, the real issue here is the mistreatment of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #27
When apologists for Jew hating murderers claim anything against Israel, it's suspect... shira Jan 2012 #31
So you don't actually have anything at all to back up yr claims that kids aren't being mistreated... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #34
There is a simple test to determine if you're a humanitarian racist, don't ya know this Violet? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #10
OMG. I thought that was some sort of parody when I first read it.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #13
I found his question so up in the air, for one..he doesn't Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #18
What's wrong with the 3rd question? shira Jan 2012 #14
It's engaging in negative stereotyping of an entire people, that's what's wrong with it... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #17
That third question isn't negative stereotyping an entire people... shira Jan 2012 #19
Yes, it is. It would be if it was aimed at Israelis, and it's the same when aimed at Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #28
The PLO says resistance (the murdering of Jews) is legitimate... shira Jan 2012 #33
Complete and utter bullshit. The PLO does NOT say the murdering of Jews is legitimate.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #35
Yeah, actually they do. They just call it legitimate "resistance" instead of... shira Jan 2012 #36
No, actually they don't say it at all. You falsely claim they say it... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #48
How many examples do you require in order to see that they really do say it? shira Jan 2012 #49
All I've seen so far is yr opinion, based on the opinions of zealoted American 'pro-Israel' groups.. Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #68
Where and how often have you exposed the profoundly murderous ( Islamaphobic) worldview Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #22
That's a moronic comparison. You don't think there's a significant.... shira Jan 2012 #24
Your response is very interesting and likely explains why you posted the OP in the first place. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #26
Yep. The double standards are mind boggling n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #29
So you're denying murderous antisemitism is a significant problem in the Palestinian territories? shira Jan 2012 #32
Guardian's Israel correspondent promotes agenda of radical anti-Israel NGO shira Jan 2012 #5
+1. bemildred Jan 2012 #2
seems Palestinian children are less so tha others to some here azurnoir Jan 2012 #9
Cell 36: Palestinian children locked in solitary confinement in Israel - video Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #12
15 Jan. '12: Judge holds confession of Palestinian minor admissible, although it was obtained Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #42
so confessions 'coerced ' from Palestinian minors (chilldren) are okay in Israel azurnoir Jan 2012 #43
It's all blown out of proportion...don't you realize this?? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #44
short answer nobody long answer azurnoir Jan 2012 #45
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