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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
50. My poor, poor Shira...
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:03 PM
Feb 2013
What are you talking about? Do you not know Jews were ethnically cleansed from Judea/Samaria in 1948? They had a right to live there, as they and their ancestors had done for 3000+ years. You then write nonsense about Israel reentering by force (winning a defensive war?), w/o consent of their government (what government?) running/killing off the local population (when?)... That whole paragraph is just one hot mess.


It's the West bank. It's called the West Bank. It may be called Judea/Samaria in Israel, but the rest of the world knows it as the West Bank.

You cite that the People of Israel were ethnically cleansed" from the WB in 1948. What was the total? Do you have some numbers to go by? Was it around the same number as Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed during that time: 500-700k? I'm just curious since you have claimed in the past that Jews have a historical right to the land, which really means absolutely nothing in modern historical context since the inhabitants of the land, mainly Palestinians, were cast out recently (see ethnically cleansed) and replaced by illegal Israeli settlers (see colonists, see): not recognized by either the international community or the UN. I know, Shira, you keep on hand wringing about this 3000 years number, which again means absolutely nothing in historical context when there were already other inhabitants living in the very area that you ascribe as belonging to the People of Israel.

And yes, Shira, Israel is an occupying power, a colonial power, that is intent on filling the West Bank with its citizens, flaunting international law, at the expense of those who used to live there and those that still live under apartheid.

Looks like you're confused. Are you arguing Israel won't allow refugees to move into the WEST BANK? Because that's what you once claimed you're in favor of. Now it seems you're pining for full RoR into Israel (within the green line). So which is it?


I'm not confused, Shira. The question isn't what I would like to see. The question is still...

Why should Israel protect the right of return of only Jews into historical areas (outside the country of Israel) from thousands of years ago yet turn a belligerent eye towards Palestinians who were forced out of their homes, continue to be forced out of their homes, since they also have a historical claim to right of return?

It's called hypocrisy, Shira; also know as the big hot mess (your choice of words) created by modern day Israel and her colonists.

The time is coming when the Palestinians will be taking this up with the International Criminal Court. The writing is on the wall.
A positive step toward peace /nt still_one Feb 2013 #1
Good move. Let's see the PLO try to avoid Livni in peace talks. n/t shira Feb 2013 #2
I will be happy when she agrees that there is no need for Israel R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #11
Using ugly, fale terms like colonization doesn't bring the 2 sides any closer to peace. shira Feb 2013 #16
Whether they are called illegal settlements or colonies R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #17
Jews moving back to areas of historic Judea/Samaria, from which they were ethnically cleansed... shira Feb 2013 #21
The truth hurts you I see. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #22
The dictionary hurts you. And you're fanning hate again.... shira Feb 2013 #23
Shira, your position is devoid of legitimacy. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #24
Stick to one thing at a time. No games. The dictionary definition of colonialism... shira Feb 2013 #25
972mag and similar sites use that term oberliner Feb 2013 #26
Yes, other people use terms. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #29
I see that you have hit the curb in oder to speed away again. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #27
Colonize = Settle? That's it? Sigh.... I guess that's all I can come to expect from you. shira Feb 2013 #33
Thanks for proving my point once again, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #35
You keep proving my point. In no way do Jews returning to Judea/Samaria.... shira Feb 2013 #37
Why do you keep ignoring whole questions, Shira??? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #38
I'm calling you on yr 'colonialist' hate speech & won't allow you to change the subject. shira Feb 2013 #40
I showed you the definition, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #41
Yes. Being anti-Israel means never having to admit error. n/t shira Feb 2013 #42
I showed you the definition, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #44
What you showed is that to settle = colonialism when to settle means other things too. shira Feb 2013 #47
My dearly sad Shira, it is not a fail to disprove your nonsense. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #48
My poor friend, RDO. It's a fail for you when you have no clue about I/P... shira Feb 2013 #49
My poor, poor Shira... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #50
Africa is the home of all our ancestors... shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #28
+ 1000 R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #30
Congrats. You defined occupation rather than colonialism. Try again. shira Feb 2013 #32
Wrong. You just don't understand how to use a dictionary. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #34
I'm surprised you can spell dictionary. n/t shira Feb 2013 #36
Keep running, mate. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #39
Its a sad day shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #43
How can one accuse a dictionary term of being wrong? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #45
Let's see Netayahu NOT ignore Livni during cabinet meetings. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #46
yes Livni the 'former' settler is the logical chioce for Likud azurnoir Feb 2013 #3
Livni was the last to talk peace w/ the PLO (see Palestine Papers) shira Feb 2013 #4
well according to you however the who has far far less than the what azurnoir Feb 2013 #6
When have there ever been Israeli/Palestinian peace talks held in London? oberliner Feb 2013 #5
I have in the past read she either lived in or supported the setlement building and azurnoir Feb 2013 #7
Where have you read that? oberliner Feb 2013 #8
lol you seem to have been a supporter of Livni's for quite sometime now or are you denying that? azurnoir Feb 2013 #9
Definitely oberliner Feb 2013 #10
Livni also leaned on Mahmoud Abbas to not accept Olmert's napkin map offer... shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #20
Livni: Israel Keeping Settlements is Requirement for Peace azurnoir Feb 2013 #12
Geneva Accords oberliner Feb 2013 #13
well there are 2 parties involved and both have to agree n/t azurnoir Feb 2013 #14
Exactly so oberliner Feb 2013 #15
"and the only way for the conflict with the Palestinians to end is for Israel to keep them." R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #19
there's still a "peace process"? was there ever? *nt Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #18
In a Likud-led coalition, that's kind of Orwellian. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #31
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