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In reply to the discussion: Likud official: Livni will be appointed as minister in charge of peace process [View all]R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)50. My poor, poor Shira...
What are you talking about? Do you not know Jews were ethnically cleansed from Judea/Samaria in 1948? They had a right to live there, as they and their ancestors had done for 3000+ years. You then write nonsense about Israel reentering by force (winning a defensive war?), w/o consent of their government (what government?) running/killing off the local population (when?)... That whole paragraph is just one hot mess.
It's the West bank. It's called the West Bank. It may be called Judea/Samaria in Israel, but the rest of the world knows it as the West Bank.
You cite that the People of Israel were ethnically cleansed" from the WB in 1948. What was the total? Do you have some numbers to go by? Was it around the same number as Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed during that time: 500-700k? I'm just curious since you have claimed in the past that Jews have a historical right to the land, which really means absolutely nothing in modern historical context since the inhabitants of the land, mainly Palestinians, were cast out recently (see ethnically cleansed) and replaced by illegal Israeli settlers (see colonists, see): not recognized by either the international community or the UN. I know, Shira, you keep on hand wringing about this 3000 years number, which again means absolutely nothing in historical context when there were already other inhabitants living in the very area that you ascribe as belonging to the People of Israel.
And yes, Shira, Israel is an occupying power, a colonial power, that is intent on filling the West Bank with its citizens, flaunting international law, at the expense of those who used to live there and those that still live under apartheid.
Looks like you're confused. Are you arguing Israel won't allow refugees to move into the WEST BANK? Because that's what you once claimed you're in favor of. Now it seems you're pining for full RoR into Israel (within the green line). So which is it?
I'm not confused, Shira. The question isn't what I would like to see. The question is still...
Why should Israel protect the right of return of only Jews into historical areas (outside the country of Israel) from thousands of years ago yet turn a belligerent eye towards Palestinians who were forced out of their homes, continue to be forced out of their homes, since they also have a historical claim to right of return?
It's called hypocrisy, Shira; also know as the big hot mess (your choice of words) created by modern day Israel and her colonists.
The time is coming when the Palestinians will be taking this up with the International Criminal Court. The writing is on the wall.
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Likud official: Livni will be appointed as minister in charge of peace process [View all]
oberliner
Feb 2013
OP
Using ugly, fale terms like colonization doesn't bring the 2 sides any closer to peace.
shira
Feb 2013
#16
Jews moving back to areas of historic Judea/Samaria, from which they were ethnically cleansed...
shira
Feb 2013
#21
Stick to one thing at a time. No games. The dictionary definition of colonialism...
shira
Feb 2013
#25
Colonize = Settle? That's it? Sigh.... I guess that's all I can come to expect from you.
shira
Feb 2013
#33
I'm calling you on yr 'colonialist' hate speech & won't allow you to change the subject.
shira
Feb 2013
#40
What you showed is that to settle = colonialism when to settle means other things too.
shira
Feb 2013
#47
I have in the past read she either lived in or supported the setlement building and
azurnoir
Feb 2013
#7
lol you seem to have been a supporter of Livni's for quite sometime now or are you denying that?
azurnoir
Feb 2013
#9
Livni also leaned on Mahmoud Abbas to not accept Olmert's napkin map offer...
shaayecanaan
Feb 2013
#20
"and the only way for the conflict with the Palestinians to end is for Israel to keep them."
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#19