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Response to shira (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:48 PM

34. The thing is, Abbas is the best possible partner you're going to get...and he has to be part of it.

He's never been my favorite, either...but as Rabin said, you negotiate with your enemies, not your friends.

So, again...what good does it do to demonize the guy, to start yet ANOTHER thread like this casting him as the mustache-twirling villain...when there's no better alternative to negotiating with Fatah and Hams that could possibly emerge?

Why act like it's somehow possible for Israel to negotiate WITHOUT including the Palestinian factions that have the weapons in those negotiations?

It's not like the ones without guns can make the ones with guns go along...it's impossible to end this with an Israeli military victory over the Fatah and Hamas on "unconditional surrender" terms(as its equally impossible to end it with Fatah and Hamas scoring such a victory over the IDF)...and this is the shoal that your position will always run aground on.

If you don't get buy-in from the people fighting the war, you can't actually END the war.

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