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Response to shira (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:24 PM

26. Netanyahu made his "support" of a two-state solution meaningless

by insisting on a "security concept"(including Israeli troops on EVERY SIDE of a Palestinian state, total Israeli control of water rights and Palestinian airspace, and the preservation of all the major settlement blocs within current Palestinian territory)that would make a Palestinian state impossible. With that "security concept" in place(and I've never heard you denounce it), there'd be virtually nothing LEFT to create Palestine on or with-and any Palestinian leadership that ever agreed to such terms would be doomed to an overthrow, since that leadership would have no chance of giving Palestinians any life at all with those terms, which would then mean that the war would just start up all over again, all of which would achieve...well, WHAT, exactly?

BTW, the people who support Palestinian self-determination can't be assumed to be endorsing Abbas' positions on gays or anything else(there's nothing they could do to change any of THOSE positions of Abbas and the PA anyhow and you know it). They simply recognize that those issues, in this context, are nothing but distractions...excuses meant to give the Israelis a reason to preserve the inherently unjust status quo.

In the I/P issue, the terms "Left" and "Right" are used to refer to the question of whether you support self-determination for the people of Palestine...the question of whether Israel or Palestine have the better stance on LGBT rights is irrelevant, since Israel and Palestine aren't in competition with each other in some kind of Democracy Olympics. The fact that it may be easier to be gay in Haifa than in Ramallah is beside the point...because that has nothing to do with the reasons for continuing the military occupation of Palestine.

What will be forty-six years(in June) of Israeli occupation of the West Bank haven't brought any liberalism, secularism, or humanism to Palestinian life...nor were they intended to. Military occupations are never about making a country or a people liberal(assuming that the Israeli government and military EVER genuinely cared about liberalism or democracy in the Arab world). The sole rationale for that occupation was to break the Palestinian people and get them to accept living at the mercy of the Israeli army as their permanent station in life...unless they're willing to move to another country.

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