Israel/Palestine

shira

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29. There are 2 things you missed from my last post to you....

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 06:35 PM

Jan 2013

1. It is a fact that UNGA resolutions like 194 are recommendations, non-binding, and not International Law.

2. That European court decision establishes precedent showing that neither Greek Cypriots or Palestinians have automatic, unqualified RoR to their ancestral land.

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Palestinians: Apartheid State If Netanyahu Wins [View all] Purveyor Jan 2013 OP

The PLO isn't interested in 2 states. Simply put, they will not recognize a Jewish state.... shira Jan 2013 #1

Israel isn't interested in 2 states. Simply put, they will not recognize Palestinian state... delrem Jan 2013 #2

"Simply put" LOL! aquart Jan 2013 #4

"Simply put" LOL! delrem Jan 2013 #5

Israel agreed to the Clinton Parameters in 2000-01. The Palestinians rejected them. shira Jan 2013 #11

And Netanyahu ended it all. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #45

I think its about 50% shaayecanaan Jan 2013 #50

And the anti-hasbardos demand that the Palestinians reject any Israeli offer oberliner Jan 2013 #58

You nailed it! They'd rather see the refugees die than the PLO accept a reasonable offer. n/t shira Jan 2013 #62

I'm still sort of stunned that Abbas came out and said that oberliner Jan 2013 #76

The anti-hasbarados can't spin that and they'll keep pretending he never said it... shira Jan 2013 #78

"and they'll keep pretending he never said it..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #98

No one has spun it in any direction, have they, oberliner? Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #91

That is absolutely false... shaayecanaan Jan 2013 #93

It is categorically and demonstrably true oberliner Jan 2013 #94

Are you alleging that the Palestine Papers are fake? shaayecanaan Jan 2013 #95

You're citing Jonathan Cook (fan of the neo-nazi Gilad Atzmon) WRT a 2001 video... shira Jan 2013 #55

I'm not sure how you can keep spinning fiction and believe R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #87

Yup. aquart Jan 2013 #3

Yeah, most people don't give up their rights Scootaloo Jan 2013 #8

Which Right? RoR? There is no such right. And neither the PLO or Hamas has the right.... shira Jan 2013 #10

LEGAL ASPECTS OF THE RIGHT TO RETURN Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #12

UNGA resolutions are non-binding recommendations. Got anything else? shira Jan 2013 #16

Got anything else?? You'd first need to accomplish some line of legal consensus. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #28

There are 2 things you missed from my last post to you.... shira Jan 2013 #29

Not International law, eh? You not only do not read, you do not comprehend. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #36

The European Court of Human Rights ruled that RoR is bogus.... shira Jan 2013 #37

You're for real, that's the sad thing here..you still haven't read your own OP. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #40

LOL. There must be different International Law for Europe... shira Jan 2013 #41

The OPINION you posted states that...and you do not recall that or do you Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #42

Huh? I'm pointing to the European Court on HR recent judgment.... shira Jan 2013 #43

No, don't walk away from your LOL now..tell me why you do not explain Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #44

"Under international law." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #46

Does International Law apply to the Cyprus situation? Yes or No? shira Jan 2013 #57

That's a rather narrow brush question for such a multi-part answer. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #88

I only used the OP to point to the case. I have no idea why International Law.... shira Jan 2013 #54

You have no idea what you're talking about period..your choice Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #59

You've been playing games & deflecting for many posts now... shira Jan 2013 #61

Deflect from what? Your OP, that you have no clue as say what he means but you posted it regardless. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #64

You're deflecting from the ECHR decision against Greek Cypriot RoR. shira Jan 2013 #65

I've done no such thing. How is it applicable to Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #66

The ruling goes to show there is no such thing as absolute, unqualified RoR. shira Jan 2013 #68

Holy shit, you write this with delusions of grandure. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #70

The Greeks weren't the aggressor when the Turks invaded Cyprus & ethnically cleansed them shira Jan 2013 #73

The Palestinians were the aggressor,you know that to be false. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #75

They started a civil war months prior to the big war in 1948 shira Jan 2013 #77

Logic and reasoning per shira and your revisionist history lessons you spew Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #89

Your constant editing..your OP does not explain nor do you Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #67

You misunderstand. The ruling shows there is no guarantee of unqualified, absolute RoR. shira Jan 2013 #69

I know what the ruling said. YOU claim it supports your statement Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #71

Then you'd know the ruling says you're wrong about RoR. n/t shira Jan 2013 #80

The ruling does not support your blanket claim. The issue should be resolved Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #90

It's not that Shira holds human rights in contempt Scootaloo Jan 2013 #49

Repugnant statements, she does well. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #60

Does the European Court of Human Rights hold human rights in contempt? shira Jan 2013 #63

There have been numerous European court decisions that have gone the other way... shaayecanaan Jan 2013 #51

But that's compensation, not RoR. Exactly my point. shira Jan 2013 #52

You state they, the Palestinians, have no right, period. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #72

They have no right period to what Hamas and the PLO are demanding. shira Jan 2013 #74

Israel is only a small part of Palestine. Cary Jan 2013 #83

Shira, that statement is far beyond ignorant. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #48

If there was a RoR, why did the European Court of HR vote against it.... shira Jan 2013 #53

My guess would be "asskissing for diplomatic reasons" Scootaloo Jan 2013 #92

Apartheid state? Seriously ? zellie Jan 2013 #6

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck...indeed! eom Purveyor Jan 2013 #7

There goes that theory... again zellie Jan 2013 #9

well that's so nice they got an Israeli citizen who's an Arab to talk up their own country however azurnoir Jan 2013 #13

Good to know. zellie Jan 2013 #14

the PLO which is headed by Abbas recognized Israel as a sovereign state 20 years ago azurnoir Jan 2013 #15

The PLO wants RoR, as you do. Thus, 2 Palestinian states or 3 if Gaza is counted. shira Jan 2013 #17

shira you do realize that there simply are not enough Palestinians for 2 or 3 states azurnoir Jan 2013 #19

If the refugees aren't going to choose to go to Israel, then why are they still in camps? shira Jan 2013 #20

the refugees are still in camps because Israelrefuses to allow any of them to return in accordance azurnoir Jan 2013 #22

That doesn't make sense. If so many Palestinians do not want to go to Israel.... shira Jan 2013 #23

a good number of Palestinians have chosen to go elsewhere as you put it azurnoir Jan 2013 #25

So the reason they haven't been given a choice the past 60 years is.......? shira Jan 2013 #31

I think most would chose their own country azurnoir Jan 2013 #34

They should have been granted their choice decades ago. It's disturbing.... shira Jan 2013 #38

Fascinating reply and quite timely too :) n/t azurnoir Jan 2013 #39

I would have to agree. Is there a Freudiam schlep in the works? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #47

So why weren't they given the choice to live where they wanted (outside of Israel).... shira Jan 2013 #56

So why weren't they given the >>choice to live where they wanted<< R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #86

Belgium? shaayecanaan Jan 2013 #96

You know what makes me sad? zellie Jan 2013 #18

why do you chose to ignore the fact that the PLO recognized Israel 2 decades ago? azurnoir Jan 2013 #21

Honestly zellie Jan 2013 #24

oh so it was not good enough Isee thanks azurnoir Jan 2013 #26

Yes, it was nice....20 years ago. zellie Jan 2013 #27

Their actions speak louder than their signing of a piece of paper 20 years ago shira Jan 2013 #30

oh thanks more rightwing links azurnoir Jan 2013 #32

Oh great, more denying, ignoring, and explaining away Palestinian intransigence shira Jan 2013 #33

oh no shira I enjoy your posts azurnoir Jan 2013 #35

The wrong side . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #79

Labor/Meretz leadership offered a fair deal in 2000-01 while settlement construction cont'd.... shira Jan 2013 #81

Fair to whom? another_liberal Jan 2013 #82

So a fair deal to you would be for Israel to fold, surrender, and be absorbed.... shira Jan 2013 #84

Israel will never "surrender" . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #85

Apartheid is inevitable--the Israeli electorate will permit no other outcome. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #97

They are already there. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #99