Israel/Palestine

TheMadMonk

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49. And yet somehow two sovereign states bend over backwards...

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 12:50 PM

Jan 2013

...to accomodate at least some of their special peculiarities.

No national service and laws prohibiting women (of any stripe) in certain locales, in Israel, and no bike lanes in "their bit" of NYC.

Also the recent ruling over Hasidic circumcision practices, which puts religious observance ahead of medical safety, even if it does offer a sop of an alternative.

JW's probably love that one, since it gives them the opportunity to reargue the case that their children's lives should be in God's hands and not the state's.

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WATCH: Palestinian teens attack Orthodox Jews with snowballs in Jerusalem [View all] shira Jan 2013 OP

Typical shit. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #1

They didn't use bats, they used snow..big difference. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #2

It always starts with snow holdencaufield Jan 2013 #3

Because something has not happened does not mean that it CANNOT happen . . . patrice Jan 2013 #51

Actually that is exactly how the Boston Massacre started. grantcart Jan 2013 #114

You've succeeded in passing beyond desperate shira. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #4

So, what you're saying is ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #5

Best for you not to tell me what I said. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #6

So, what you're saying is ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #7

So what you're saying is you make up bogus bullshit as your hobby in life. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #8

Maybe ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #9

so explain to us exactly no one intervened on behalf of the Orthodox azurnoir Jan 2013 #11

Onlookers probably feared worse getting out of their cars to help. n/t shira Jan 2013 #15

oh so on lookers feared snowballs? okay then thanks :) azurnoir Jan 2013 #16

Did you even watch the video? holdencaufield Jan 2013 #18

I watched it at +972 yesterday azurnoir Jan 2013 #19

as I already said on this thread I watched it yesterday :) azurnoir Jan 2013 #21

No, a mob. n/t shira Jan 2013 #20

So your saying this justifies killing women and children in Refugee camps intaglio Jan 2013 #102

Sorry to offend, but the video demonstrates legit resistance to occupation, right? n/t shira Jan 2013 #12

One can only hope that every resistance movement would use such lethal weapons as snowballs. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #13

I shall reiterate my comment from the comments section of that video; Scootaloo Jan 2013 #10

You don't see deeply racist antisemitism designed to humiliate? n/t shira Jan 2013 #14

I see teenagers acting like dickheads, Shira. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #23

My gang and I used to lay down a barrage of snowballs on cop cars and sometimes waited till they Dick Dastardly Jan 2013 #22

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #17

Obviously, this is indefensible... shaayecanaan Jan 2013 #24

Without a full video of the whole affair how can you be certain that R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #26

Except expect precedence in far too many ways. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #28

I'm an Orthodox Jew ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #29

And provided you keep your othodoxy to yourself... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #31

I have a problem with antisemitic remarks ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #32

And I did not say that. I said that such existed AMONGST... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #34

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #35

First are we(I) confusing orthodox with ultra-orthodox... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #36

You should probably get to know people ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #37

"You should probably get to know people before you deride them" Scootaloo Jan 2013 #40

Oh, I do ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #41

No, you don't... Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #43

He wouldn't have been Scootaloo Jan 2013 #44

OK just answer me this then. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #46

People denounce ultra-religious Jews quite regularly oberliner Jan 2013 #47

And yet somehow two sovereign states bend over backwards... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #49

How long does one need to read I/P before R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #56

classic progressive intolerance i.e. ZERO intolerance for others pelsar Jan 2013 #38

My one rule. "Do as thou wilt, an' it harm none." TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #48

oh....poor baby...you dont like being inconvenienced in respecting others? pelsar Jan 2013 #50

All the offence is in their eyes/minds. Just as it was and is... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #54

tolerance is not about the fanatics, the extremists... pelsar Jan 2013 #57

Bullshit they're not relevant. Extremists and predators... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #60

I somewhat disagree. delrem Jan 2013 #62

And yet even with the "gentle" Amish, the right to set... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #64

I think you're being ridiculous here. delrem Jan 2013 #66

No, but it was strongly defended by too many... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #68

No thank you. Your argument sucks. delrem Jan 2013 #69

and so is your extremism dangerous... pelsar Jan 2013 #65

What's the bet you have no problem with these pithy slogans: TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #67

but its ok if your run others lives...i get it pelsar Jan 2013 #70

And boiled down. That amounts to, You reserve the right... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #71

and so do you, your just like them...you just cant accept it... pelsar Jan 2013 #72

And if you can't see that active interferrence... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #75

classic: ignore the consequences.... pelsar Jan 2013 #86

I don't have a religion. I have a PHILOSOPHY. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #88

its a religion......you have all the tenants of.... pelsar Jan 2013 #90

Beg to differ. My system automatically excludes PROFERRED harm. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #91

Respect is a learned....respect to elders for instance... pelsar Jan 2013 #92

pelsar! I never thought I'd agree wholeheartedly with you. delrem Jan 2013 #83

you should at least keep it too yourself... pelsar Jan 2013 #87

Never fear, delrem Jan 2013 #95

liberal..not the western mutation..... pelsar Jan 2013 #96

mhmm... nt delrem Jan 2013 #97

"there is no such thing as 'not being responsible' for your actions." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #101

the language is applicable to all actions... pelsar Jan 2013 #103

I'm perfectly happy with your clarification. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #104

well lets apply it... pelsar Jan 2013 #105

My argument is with the Palestinian people obtaining a homeland: a state. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #106

oh....so a state is in fact more important.... pelsar Jan 2013 #107

I was fairly clear in my last post. Perhaps you should reread it. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #108

thats fantasy...now come back down to earth pelsar Jan 2013 #109

No, actually it is not fantasy. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #110

spring.....as in the muslim brotherhood? pelsar Jan 2013 #115

Spring as in freedom. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #116

Freedom? You mean for the Ayatollas? shira Jan 2013 #119

Shira, you seem to be purposefully maligning and misrepresenting what I have stated. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #121

freedom from what? pelsar Jan 2013 #122

The freedom from either external or internal forces that prevent them R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #125

i'm not interested in "concepts"....i prefer everyday life pelsar Jan 2013 #127

Yeah, fairly clear that Palestinian Nationalism trumps Human Rights.... shira Jan 2013 #111

Try reading the first three sentences, my friend. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #112

Well, now you know you favor a totalitarian, theocratic, regressive rogue regime.... shira Jan 2013 #113

I favour human rights for all. It is a tough road sometimes, but I am for it. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #117

You seemingly support actions that result in horrendous consequences. shira Jan 2013 #120

Shira, I have never supported the Ayatollahs or the Shah. Both former and present R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #123

Therefore, let's see if we agree.... shira Jan 2013 #124

Shira, there is no credibility left to you in my opinion. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #126

Just curious... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #128

Thank you for posting this, my friend. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #25

So you didn't cheer the finding that giving the bird to police... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #33

"it's bloody dificult not to return the favour." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #45

If they were merely throwing snowballs it would be one thing. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #27

Lucky for their victims ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #30

Why stop at rocks? Accuse them of chucking grenades! Scootaloo Jan 2013 #39

No, there isn't any defending this, try as they may. Israel came into being.... shira Jan 2013 #42

So when will you be campaigning to give the Romany... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #61

Okay. That DOES heat up, so I'm concerned about everyone's ability to handle it without patrice Jan 2013 #52

You're totally correct. A sane voice. nt delrem Jan 2013 #59

this thread is fascinating azurnoir Jan 2013 #53

Actually, attacks on Palestinians are man bites dog... shira Jan 2013 #55

"These attacks on Israelis are the reverse and far more common." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #58

Start with thousands of rockets from Gaza into Israel in the last decade. shira Jan 2013 #78

You do understand what qualitative means? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #80

Find some articles about rocket attacks in the NYT, AP, CNN, WAPO, BBC.... shira Jan 2013 #81

So your response is anecdotal and not qualitative? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #82

The PLO & Hamas' racist Jew hating rhetoric is all but censored... shira Jan 2013 #84

That is less than anecdotal. Its is a charge, without link or corroboration from a news source. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #85

Recent rock throwing victim from this week... shira Jan 2013 #94

Shira, Shira, you show a twitter link to an IDF Captain with an unsubstantiated photo. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #98

You won't accept any amount of evidence. That much is clear. n/t shira Jan 2013 #99

No, my friend, that is not true. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #100

so according to you Palestinians are dogs? azurnoir Jan 2013 #63

It's an old saying, Az... Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #73

oh I know it's an old saying however azurnoir Jan 2013 #74

True paranoia oberliner Jan 2013 #89

Yeah, yr 100% spot on about how it works when the boot's on the other foot... Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #93

that statement is utter madness Mutatis Mutandis Jan 2013 #118

Don't worry - the teens will be shot and killed in retaliation for throwing snowballs. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2013 #76

Nah, even better is their gentile blood will be used when baking matzah. n/t shira Jan 2013 #77

You have a singular wit, my friend. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #79