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shira

(30,109 posts)
299. If Hamas runs the show for a Palestinian state, that's perfectly okay with you....
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
Dec 2012

...so long as there's a Palestine. You've made yourself clear here many times. When it comes to human rights vs. your version of self-determination, you are for the latter first and foremost. If Palestine becomes more progressive/liberal, fine. If not, also fine.

What a complete betrayal of all progressive/liberal values.

Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism: Robert Wistrich shira Sep 2012 #1
Yes, but anti-Netanyahu is not the same as anti-Semitism. INMO Iran deal is good for Israel meir34 Aug 2015 #440
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #447
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby May 2019 #480
So, does this mean... Troggle Sep 2012 #2
No oberliner Sep 2012 #4
Of course I know that for people afflicted with decency and common sense criticism is possible... Troggle Sep 2012 #5
The author wrote about anti-zionist ideology, not criticism of Israel being antisemitic. shira Sep 2012 #6
Not all forms of anti-Zionism are the same. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #26
Name an anti-zionist movement today that doesn't tolerate.... shira Sep 2012 #29
I'd say that anti-zionists among almost all those that exist in North America, the UK and Europe Ken Burch Sep 2012 #32
If anti-zionists are staunch opponents of antisemitism.... shira Sep 2012 #33
Just a quick note. Bradlad Sep 2012 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author azurnoir Dec 2012 #166
yep same question gets asked about US Muslims all the time 'cause we all know azurnoir Sep 2012 #52
Just pointing out anti-Zionists aren't that interested.... shira Sep 2012 #58
I could repeat post #52 it still applies n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #67
If it's about #52, at least there plenty of Muslims to denounce... shira Sep 2012 #68
so you are now saying that Jews are a race? well okay if you believe that n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #70
Oh, I get it. Anti-racist activism doesn't apply to Jews... shira Sep 2012 #72
Israel's more progressive than the USA, and by a wide margin. JLII Dec 2012 #141
Yeah. Gay rights, environment, healthcare, better trade unions... shira Dec 2012 #143
Thanks JLII Dec 2012 #148
Also, Israel cares and provides for its children, poor and elderly far better than does the US. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #203
Group cuts Holocaust survivors' aid by 20% also claims that 1 in 4 Israelis in poverty azurnoir Dec 2012 #292
I spoke to someone who just returned from a visit in Israel JDPriestly Dec 2012 #300
Who made you Wolf Blitzer? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #312
easily both could be true azurnoir Dec 2012 #315
don't forget those segregated buses, dear Shira! cali May 2013 #360
Are you confused? There are no segregated buses in Israel, dear. shira May 2013 #362
Yup. aquart Sep 2012 #3
God, Torah and Israel are one. aranthus Sep 2012 #7
Huh.... No. Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #8
Great post. n/t shira Sep 2012 #11
I'd say you both have good points but . Bradlad Sep 2012 #12
Here is where we disagree. aranthus Sep 2012 #13
Uh, no...Jewish athiests and agnostics don't believe that. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #27
Of course they do. aranthus Sep 2012 #41
Logically, people who don't believe in God are not going to believe Ken Burch Sep 2012 #42
Where did you study logic? Go back there and ask for your money back. doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #107
It's possible, but in practice anti-zionists tend to hate.... shira Oct 2012 #109
Before you criticize, first understand what you are talking about. aranthus Oct 2012 #117
Most religious Jews opposed Zionism prior to 1948... shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #9
Those Jews didn't routinely utilize old, bigoted tropes like anti-zios today... shira Sep 2012 #10
thanks for linking to that post where you show that Palestinians including children azurnoir Sep 2012 #14
Yes, of course. There's zero antisemitism in those videos... shira Sep 2012 #18
Your claim was that "anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism" shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #16
It is today, without question. n/t shira Sep 2012 #17
What about last Tuesday? Was it anti-semitic then? (nt) shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #19
Brilliant. But let's face it.... shira Sep 2012 #20
I'm not sure anyone here would have heard of Lauren Booth... shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #21
I only know about Lauren Booth because she's the sister-in-law of Tony Blair. LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #24
LB, what do you know of PSC's Tony Greenstein.... shira Sep 2012 #73
Don't know a lot about him; think he tends to be more idealistic than realistic in most of his views LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #74
I just googled him. Tony Greenstein co-founded the PSC... shira Sep 2012 #77
Poor old Gilad Atzmon shaayecanaan Sep 2012 #75
He has quite the fan club. Ever heard of these guys.... shira Sep 2012 #76
bar one or two, i havent heard of any of them nt shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #81
I would hardly call these the 'leaders' of any movement LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #23
They're well respected within the movement. I could've mentioned... shira Sep 2012 #30
Greta Berlin is a leader for the Free Gaza Movement.... shira Oct 2012 #101
Excellent post, Shaayecanaan. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #128
Anti-Zionism can be antisemitism but need not be LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #15
Well-put. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #22
You say some people are against all forms of nationalism.... shira Sep 2012 #31
anti-Zionism can be anti-Semitism...but it doesn't have to be. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #25
In theory it doesn't have to be. In practice it is. n/t shira Oct 2012 #80
In practice it isn't necessarily either. And it serves no purpose to demonize non-Zionists. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #82
The vast majority of anti-zionists support anti-semitic organizations.... shira Oct 2012 #83
Resisting Israeli authority in the West Bank is NOT "hating Jews" Ken Burch Oct 2012 #84
When PeaceNow works for Palestinian Rights, THAT is not hating Jews... shira Oct 2012 #85
As if you EVER supported Peace Now. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #86
Now you're deflecting, but at least I know that you now realize... shira Oct 2012 #88
I NEVER said that anti-zionists(most of who are NOT "Jew-haters")were the ONLY ones Ken Burch Oct 2012 #90
Most are not jew-haters. Not the ISM, FGM, PSC, BDS.... shira Oct 2012 #93
The subject is that you accused me of saying something I NEVER said. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #96
That's how I understood your posts about anti-zionists, Ken shira Oct 2012 #102
I accept the apology-still, I am serious about challenging the claim that antizionist=antisemite. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #103
Greta Berlin not only lied in her apology, she posted a Nazi documentary film shira Oct 2012 #104
I denounce Greta Berlin...never heard of her before this. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #108
She's only the co-founder of Free Gaza, a movement supported.... shira Oct 2012 #110
All we know is that the person who wrote the OP SAID they were silent. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #113
Ali Abunimah of EI tweeted about the silence... shira Oct 2012 #114
I have a serious question here. Israel is being referred to as a "Jewish state." rateyes Sep 2012 #28
You're wrong on both counts. shira Sep 2012 #34
So you are saying that my impression of Israel being a secular democracy rateyes Sep 2012 #37
Think of it as the homeland for the Jews rather than a Jewish homeland... shira Sep 2012 #44
another answer azurnoir Sep 2012 #35
Yeah, he doesn't really count. So Israel is still an ethnic supremacy. shira Sep 2012 #36
Get back to me when an Arab or Druze PM or President is elected we'll talk then okay? azurnoir Sep 2012 #39
No, you tried justifying the argument that Israel is either... shira Sep 2012 #45
not really but if that's what you want to think be my guest azurnoir Sep 2012 #46
Ah, but, looking at the demographics, rateyes Sep 2012 #38
IMO the "Arab demographic threat" is over played it was a big meme a few years back but azurnoir Sep 2012 #40
Portions of the Israeli population are giving a good account of themselves reproductively too. bemildred Sep 2012 #50
True enough azurnoir Sep 2012 #51
Jewish State doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #106
Gentleman's agreement? And you know this...how? shira Oct 2012 #111
So anti-zionism is equivalent to antisemitism? bemildred Sep 2012 #43
At the very, very least it's implicitly bigoted to oppose equal rights.... shira Sep 2012 #47
So I got "anti-zionism is bigoted", then. bemildred Sep 2012 #48
well of course because we all know that without Zionism azurnoir Sep 2012 #53
Nope King_David Sep 2012 #54
ya like I said azurnoir Sep 2012 #55
Yes there were in the past, King_David Sep 2012 #56
so were these Canadian signs enforced? written into law ? azurnoir Sep 2012 #57
Az, you'd have to agree that Jews needed an Israel.... shira Sep 2012 #59
No I would say that the countries that would not allow entry azurnoir Sep 2012 #61
Pathetic post.... shira Sep 2012 #64
You are quite free to 'understand' whatever you wish too however I did not mention Israel azurnoir Sep 2012 #65
Irrelevant. nt King_David Sep 2012 #69
well it was relevant enough for you to comment n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #71
i was interested enough to check on the "no jews, no dogs" sign shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #87
No Dogs and Jews Allowed King_David Oct 2012 #89
once again and your link does not address this at all how were those signs enforced? azurnoir Oct 2012 #91
Oh I think it addresses the issue King_David Oct 2012 #97
Good thing people can read huh? n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #98
still no record of the actual sign... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #100
Yeah, especially in the US and Canada..... shira Oct 2012 #92
so in your opinion Jews in the US had no political rights because they did not push the US azurnoir Oct 2012 #94
No, during WW2 Jews in North America feared doing anything.... shira Oct 2012 #95
for the luv what exactly were Jews in the US supposed to do prior or during WW2? azurnoir Oct 2012 #99
When I was a child (in the mid 1950's) we used to COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #260
signs in Fl said no Jews or dogs but then we can assume Blacks and Hispanics were welcome right? azurnoir Dec 2012 #261
No, blacks and Hispanics were certainly COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #290
so your saying that Jews did not know their place or what? azurnoir Dec 2012 #293
I'm not sure what your point is COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #294
my point is that those signs are something of an 'urban legend' azurnoir Dec 2012 #298
You are either stunningly uninformed or COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #304
neither but I've been around this track before and on this thread too azurnoir Dec 2012 #305
Don't flatter yourself COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #306
well okay but ya know azurnoir Dec 2012 #309
You pointed to a thread on DU King_David Dec 2012 #307
It was your claims that were debunked on this thread azurnoir Dec 2012 #308
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Dec 2012 #310
Did the Jews of the SS Struma have equal rights in 1942? n/t shira Sep 2012 #60
perhaps you need to reread the comment or was this simply an oppurtunity azurnoir Sep 2012 #62
You should consider Zionism as equal rights for Jews collectively shira Sep 2012 #63
Zionism began began more than a generation prior to Israel azurnoir Sep 2012 #66
I don't hate Israel, I just think we put in the wrong place. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #78
Virtually every one of your statements is factually false. aranthus Dec 2012 #225
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #363
The Free Gaza Movement Shows Its Anti-Semitic Face shira Oct 2012 #79
No antisemitism in this piece critical of Israel doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #105
Now that's just an idiotic article that begs to be ridiculed.... shira Oct 2012 #112
Dear Rabid Hater, BTW you didn't refute my point. doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #115
What point? That a rabid hater who believes in a nefarious Jewish Lobby... shira Oct 2012 #116
While I disagree with the OP (see post 15), you can't honestly regard antiwar.com and Giraldi as LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #119
Lots of DU'ers link to the extreme Rightwing antiwar.com shira Dec 2012 #137
That, in itself, is a RW talking point. You clearly have no comprehension of what you write. leveymg Dec 2012 #160
Here's how they describe themselves.... shira Dec 2012 #161
That's not extreme RW - it reads like the Henry Wallace Progressive Party platform from '48: leveymg Dec 2012 #162
They're xenophobic isolationists closer to Ron Paul, Pat Buchanon, & David Duke shira Dec 2012 #167
The only connection is that you put antiwar.com and David Duke into the same sentence. leveymg Dec 2012 #168
Duke makes the same arguments. As does Pat Buchanon.... shira Dec 2012 #170
If you want to be taken seriously, learn to spell names. leveymg Dec 2012 #172
Raimondo and Buchanan agree on few things. Yeah, right.... shira Dec 2012 #173
Again, if you want to be taken seriously, address the issue rather than another weak attempt at leveymg Dec 2012 #175
Though I disagree with the OP, Shira is right about antiwar.com LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #188
You cherry-picked the AW Mission Statement. Here's what you left out: leveymg Dec 2012 #189
Sorry, but right-libertarian, anti-social-safety net, anti-welfare views are so utterly evil that we LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #190
You are SO off-base. Randoph Bourne was a progressive, a cultural radical, and a Socialist. leveymg Dec 2012 #192
But they also endorse Garret Garrett LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #193
I agree with you. delrem Dec 2012 #195
I see your point. But, your complaint reminds me most strongly of this by John Stuart Mill: leveymg Dec 2012 #199
So tell me, do you take racists seriously.... shira Dec 2012 #200
If one reads Antiwar.com, and supports their right to publish, that is not "selling (Buchanan)." leveymg Dec 2012 #207
So you'd advocate the same way for Stormfront as you do antiwar.com? n/t shira Dec 2012 #208
There would be little in Stormfront that I would find interesting or commendable. leveymg Dec 2012 #211
You're on a site that censors StormFront. shira Dec 2012 #212
It's bad enough that we have fanatical zionists and anti-z's. The Nazis aren't missed here. leveymg Dec 2012 #213
Would you by the same token... LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #217
To paraphrase Berkeley, "if the idea is never allowed to be cited or linked, was it ever expressed?" leveymg Dec 2012 #241
It is not the dilemma that 'Shira and I' are creating LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #245
so esentially what your seem to be saying here is that who says something is more important azurnoir Dec 2012 #251
Here's what I said about this in an earlier post LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #262
KEN O’KEEFE EMBRACES WHITE SUPREMACIST DAVID DUKE shira Oct 2012 #118
Thanks shira Tony Greenstein promotes Ali Abunumah's statement you know the one you claim azurnoir Oct 2012 #120
So tell me. If Greenstein is exposed as an anti-Semite... shira Oct 2012 #121
hey if you wish to 'expose' your own source on antisemitism as an antisemite azurnoir Oct 2012 #122
Ali Abunimah: Israelis whining about rockets shira Oct 2012 #123
Ali Abunimah says Hamas rockets are legitimate resistance shira Dec 2014 #397
Respect activist: was Hitler the bad guy? shira Oct 2012 #124
Ali Abunimah claims Israeli made food is racist shira Nov 2012 #125
Israeli made food is racist and do not forget 'Apartheid' too .... nt King_David Nov 2012 #131
Nazi apartheid food. n/t shira Nov 2012 #134
He's thinking of starting a food blog oberliner Nov 2012 #132
Ben White dreams that, by the “bloodshed and sweat of martyrs”, Palestine will be free! shira Nov 2012 #126
Yawn ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #127
Bigotry and hatred isn't anything to yawn about on a liberal board. shira Nov 2012 #129
That screed is definitely something to yawn about. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #130
It's hard to argue the reality.... shira Nov 2012 #133
Liars @ Pal. Solidarity linking to insanely antisemitic PRESS-TV article shira Dec 2012 #135
Ali Abunimah running interference for Hamas incitement vs. Jews shira Dec 2012 #136
Why should the article condemn Meshal for something he did not say? nt delrem Dec 2012 #138
What do you think he means by Zionists here? Hint , it is not Zionist christians in the USA . King_David Dec 2012 #139
Let me guess: you didn't read the article? delrem Dec 2012 #140
"You steal land"? Who is "you"? David isn't Israeli. shira Dec 2012 #142
David is arguing the Zionist Israeli case delrem Dec 2012 #145
David is arguing Meshaal is a racist, bigoted POS.... shira Dec 2012 #196
Meshaal may be a racist, bigoted POS, but *he didn't say what it is claimed he said*! delrem Dec 2012 #197
That's simply mendacious! delrem Dec 2012 #144
Ha Ha... its ALWAYS a 'mistranslation' King_David Dec 2012 #146
You are already mendacious. delrem Dec 2012 #147
Ali Hasan Abunimah is a Palestinian American journalist King_David Dec 2012 #149
Who is fluent in Arabic. delrem Dec 2012 #150
Excuse for what ? Everything I posted is 100% accurate . nt King_David Dec 2012 #151
100% mendacious. nt delrem Dec 2012 #152
No you are using the wrong word, King_David Dec 2012 #153
It is the correct word. delrem Dec 2012 #155
. King_David Dec 2012 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #157
'Zionists believe the bible gives them the land they stole from the Palestinians' King_David Dec 2012 #163
The Israeli religious right believes such things; not all Zionists. LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #264
this was posted before riverwalker Dec 2012 #158
No it just somehow keeps getting kicked back up again and again azurnoir Dec 2012 #164
It's false on the face of it. delrem Dec 2012 #165
My post had nothing to do with the veracity of the OP itself azurnoir Dec 2012 #169
Ah, I see! delrem Dec 2012 #181
Amazing that you comfortable calling a fellow DU member an idiot , King_David Dec 2012 #171
No, it's an accurate description. While anti-zionism need not be anti-semitic..... shira Dec 2012 #174
Location, locatoin, location. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #159
What are you trying to accomplish, Shira? Harry_Scrote Dec 2012 #176
The same thing as always DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #178
:( Harry_Scrote Dec 2012 #185
The motive is to expose anti-zionists for being ugly anti-semites. shira Dec 2012 #194
shira: anti-zionists = anti-semites delrem Dec 2012 #198
Let's start with the FreeGaza movement.... shira Dec 2012 #201
one heinous tweet delrem Dec 2012 #205
There's a lot more in that thread than 1 tweet. shira Dec 2012 #206
"Gilad Atzmon, Alison Weir, and other VERY nasty antisemites" delrem Dec 2012 #214
Are you familiar with Atzmon and Weir.... shira Dec 2012 #219
This is a ridiculous statement - did you even read the article? oberliner Dec 2012 #187
"ONLY ideology"? How many others have been tried? & If it "saves" why is there so much threat? patrice Dec 2012 #177
No. elleng Dec 2012 #179
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #180
What a disgusting post. King_David Dec 2012 #182
ah so you got that nasty post hidden can we please see the jury results I would really like to know azurnoir Dec 2012 #183
Doesn't say anything more than a jury voted 5-1 to hide it King_David Dec 2012 #184
It means that someone before you alerted. Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #186
I guess it was simultaneous King_David Dec 2012 #191
You just alerted while the first jury was out. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #215
A whole religion has been hijacked for a political project. Democratopia Dec 2012 #202
So in 1948 it made sense. After so many years.... shira Dec 2012 #209
I don't agree with that at all, and not what I am saying. Democratopia Dec 2012 #221
Many Jews ? i say Bullshit ! King_David Dec 2012 #216
You seem to disrespect those that do not agree with you. Democratopia Dec 2012 #222
Naturei Karta ? King_David Dec 2012 #224
Try this group of 77 North American Rabbis -Are they all "Holocaust denial homophobic nut jobs" too? Democratopia Dec 2012 #227
LOL King_David Dec 2012 #230
Are you a TTJ or Neturei Karta? aranthus Dec 2012 #226
I don't support these groups - just showing not all Jews are Zionists. Democratopia Dec 2012 #229
There is about 200 of them nt King_David Dec 2012 #231
'I don't support these groups' King_David Dec 2012 #232
Why do you call it propoganda? I don't know how many anti-Zionist there are. However, Democratopia Dec 2012 #236
"Zionism is a problem - not a Jewish state being the problem" King_David Dec 2012 #242
As I have said in another post, Zionism was a movement to create a Jewish state. Democratopia Dec 2012 #247
I think your having difficulty grasping the Zionist concept, King_David Dec 2012 #284
My wife doesn't agree with me, but we have Jewish friends who do. Democratopia Dec 2012 #285
That is strange indeed...theres not that many Republican Jews... King_David Dec 2012 #291
Anti-palestinians have watered "antisemitism" into meaninglessness - as camouflage Scootaloo Dec 2012 #204
So all the examples like FreeGaza, Ali Abunimah, BDS, the ISM & PSC.... shira Dec 2012 #210
For the most part I find your assertions baseless Scootaloo Dec 2012 #218
Of course you do. And no specifics, of course..... shira Dec 2012 #220
Shira is wrong about these organizations because Shira provides no evidence Scootaloo Dec 2012 #235
I've provided plenty of evidence.... shira Dec 2012 #240
We've already confirmed Greta Berlin Scootaloo Dec 2012 #243
And FreeGaza's current board all support her. In fact, Greta Berlin remains on the board..... shira Dec 2012 #263
You're right, I didn't respond to that. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #276
You're making yet another ridiculous comparison. shira Dec 2012 #278
Great post Scootaloo. Democratopia Dec 2012 #223
oops King_David Dec 2012 #296
Bunk. aranthus Dec 2012 #228
I don't agree that Zionism only means the continued existence of Israel. Democratopia Dec 2012 #234
Now I see where you're going. You assume we're against criticism of Israel.... shira Dec 2012 #238
But that isn't what Zionism is. aranthus Dec 2012 #244
Zionism was a movement to give the Jewish people a safe haven. They have that. The Zionist movement Democratopia Dec 2012 #246
Respectfully, you don't get to define Zionism. n/t aranthus Dec 2012 #249
well then why don't you define Zionism for us n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #252
From Dictionary.com aranthus Dec 2012 #257
well the poster you were addressing seems to fit that description azurnoir Dec 2012 #259
That isn't as important as you think. aranthus Dec 2012 #265
yes it is important because how can one support Israel's existence azurnoir Dec 2012 #266
You support Israel within the green line, but with RoR ensured.... shira Dec 2012 #270
Thank you for proving my point azurnoir Dec 2012 #271
Thank you Azurnoir. Democratopia Dec 2012 #283
oops King_David Dec 2012 #295
Your point being that you didn't mention you're for RoR into Israel.... shira Dec 2012 #301
lol no one in this conversation save you has mentioned RoR azurnoir Dec 2012 #302
Oh? Am I wrong? Suddenly you're not for RoR anymore??? n/t shira Dec 2012 #303
That's the argument made in the OP, however Scootaloo Dec 2012 #237
It isn't just a dismissal of other Jews, but a dismissal of a religion and of a democracy, Democratopia Dec 2012 #248
oops King_David Dec 2012 #297
As I said to another poster, you don't get to define Zionism. aranthus Dec 2012 #250
I can't believe you would bring ethnicity into this. In fact, I am appalled. Democratopia Dec 2012 #255
It's about ideas of a movement. aranthus Dec 2012 #256
I am saying that others have redefined Zionism - it is not me who is defining it. Democratopia Dec 2012 #267
There are many different varieties of Zionism, aranthus Scootaloo Dec 2012 #268
Yes, of course. aranthus Dec 2012 #274
I just go by what the loudest "Pro-Israeli" people keep telling me Scootaloo Dec 2012 #280
Zionism is NOT about there not being a Palestinian homeland. shira Dec 2012 #272
Iget it from you, Shira Scootaloo Dec 2012 #281
No, you really don't. Do you think those claiming "disputed territory".... shira Dec 2012 #288
Ahhh, the trolley problem! Sort of. In a stunted fashion. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #311
You cheated. shira Dec 2012 #313
No, I pointed out the inconsistency of your argument Scootaloo Dec 2012 #314
Okay then....so let's make it more similar shira Dec 2012 #316
Except that's still not similar; there are alternate choices. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #317
No, there aren't alternate choices. He has already started firing away.... shira Dec 2012 #318
The thought experiment is not a good mirror of reality, Shira Scootaloo Dec 2012 #319
While you were typing, 2 more kids were shot dead... shira Dec 2012 #320
What do I do? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #321
What you just did was let the shooter kill dozens.... shira Dec 2012 #322
because your example was stupid and far removed from reality. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #323
You were in a lose-lose situation. And you chose for dozens to be killed.... shira Dec 2012 #324
You can't keep your story straight, Shira Scootaloo Dec 2012 #325
So the Jews I know who are anti-Zionist are anti-Semitic? Bullfuckingshit. Your post is hatespeech. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #233
Do they support organizations or networks that work & coordinate with.... shira Dec 2012 #239
We should work to find peaceful solutions. Democratopia Dec 2012 #253
Jews live in constant fear in Iran. I know many Persian Jews..... shira Dec 2012 #275
It isn't about hating Jews. Democratopia Dec 2012 #282
If Hamas and the PA were like the IRA, there'd have been 2 states in 1947. shira Dec 2012 #287
That depends on where they are coming from. aranthus Dec 2012 #254
I still find it odd that so much fighting has been done over this rbixby Dec 2012 #258
Israel is a very successful multi-cultural nation - Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouins, Democratopia Dec 2012 #269
I agree rbixby Dec 2012 #273
Progressives and Liberals cannot ever hope for peace with the Taliban.... shira Dec 2012 #277
OMG how clever-not what you posted is a wordy rehash of the nefarious rightist line azurnoir Dec 2012 #279
No surprise coming from you. You're for Palestinian nationalism.... shira Dec 2012 #286
I am for Palestinian self determination which you redefine as nationalism azurnoir Dec 2012 #289
If Hamas runs the show for a Palestinian state, that's perfectly okay with you.... shira Dec 2012 #299
No it isn't intaglio Dec 2012 #326
What nonsense. aranthus Jan 2013 #336
Well apart from the fact you are replying to a month old post intaglio Jan 2013 #337
wow..talk about the narrow minded..... pelsar May 2013 #357
Syria bombs Palestinian camps. World is silent. shira Dec 2012 #327
Mondoweiss: "Israel’s worldwide role in repression" shira Jan 2013 #328
Is criticism of Israeli policies and human rights abuses anti-Zionism? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #329
Is frothing, rightwing obsessive criticism of Islamist countries.... shira Jan 2013 #330
So you choose not to answer the question, but ask a different multiple-part question? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #331
We at least agree that frothing, rightwing obsessive criticism of anything.... shira Jan 2013 #332
Did you intend on answering my earlier question? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #333
The answer is "no"; unless it's frothing and obsessive criticism.... shira Jan 2013 #334
"The ethnic majority in Israel are colonial, thieving, ethnic cleansing, genocidal apartheidists" R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #335
That type of demonization of Jews is not legitimate criticism... shira Jan 2013 #338
The UN and international community see it differently, but I'm sure you may R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #339
George Galloway doesn't debate Israelis (Jews) shira Feb 2013 #340
(VIDEO) Shlomo Sand at SOAS: Israel is “a shitty nation” & “the most racist society in the world”. shira Feb 2013 #341
Wow. Shlomo Sand, a professor of History at Tel Aviv University believes R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #342
There's a Palestinian journalist the pro-Palestinians here at DU cannot stand.... shira Feb 2013 #343
The question wasn't about Khaled Abu Toameh, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #344
Another failure by you to answer a simple question. It's obvious all you're capable of here.... shira Feb 2013 #345
No, Shira, it was YOU who didn't answer the question. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #346
I feel such a person is a bigot and anti-semite, much like Gilad Atzmon or Bobby Fischer. shira Feb 2013 #347
"Fuck him." R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #348
A Jew-baiting Tweet by the Guardian’s Michael White shira Mar 2013 #349
Michael White did this to Borat (Sasha Baron Cohen) years ago.... shira Mar 2013 #353
Israel Apartheid Week bigots toss Israeli out of college campus shira Mar 2013 #350
Some Christians like to think America was created to mitigate their persecution by GB etal randr Mar 2013 #351
I'm pro American. I would like to opt out of the problem and let... Walk away Mar 2013 #352
(VIDEO) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in Europe shira May 2013 #354
I should thank you for posting jessie04 May 2013 #358
(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in the USA shira May 2013 #355
Alice Walker recorded @ 42:10: "Zionists will no longer control our Congress". n/t shira Jun 2013 #367
(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in the Middle East shira May 2013 #356
The New Anti-Semitism Israeli May 2013 #359
Did you watch the video you responded to? Or have a problem with it? n/t shira May 2013 #361
I watched it shira .... Israeli May 2013 #364
So you watched it....and disagree? You don't see antisemitism there? shira May 2013 #365
(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in Canada shira Jun 2013 #366
(Video) Zionist Muslims: Moderate Islam Must Fight the Radical shira Jun 2013 #368
Paul Larudee of the International Solidarity movement: Some "peace" activist shira Apr 2014 #369
It's good to see that some are sweating it over the recent movement by Abbas... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2014 #370
Why anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic (thread at DU) shira Nov 2014 #371
Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism (thread at DU) shira Nov 2014 #372
Mondoweiss supports unrepentant terrorist Rasmea Odeh shira Nov 2014 #373
JVP haters support terrorist Rasmea Odeh shira Nov 2014 #374
Max Blumenthal supports Rasmea Odeh too... shira Nov 2014 #378
JVP San Diego sponsored jew hater Alison Weir shira Nov 2014 #385
Electronic Intifada supports terrorist murderer Rasmea Odeh shira Nov 2014 #375
Cynthia McKinney softball interview w/ gutter anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon shira Nov 2014 #376
Max Blumenthal: American Jews are newest whitest WASPs shira Nov 2014 #377
New Low: Anti-Israel BDS Connects Ferguson to ‘Palestine’! shira Nov 2014 #379
David Sheen's vulgar demonization of orthodox Judaism shira Nov 2014 #380
Alison Weir says blood libels were true, pogroms good.... shira Nov 2014 #381
Mondoweiss says it wouldn't be surprising Israel used actors to fake Holocaust testimony. shira Nov 2014 #382
Medea Benjamin goes to Iran to participate in hatefest shira Nov 2014 #383
Mondoweiss: Lutherans, PeaceNow & B’Tselem are "enablers of destruction of Palestine". shira Nov 2014 #384
Mondoweiss:"Like many Jews of conscience....you're fed-up w/ all things Jewish." shira Nov 2014 #386
Neo-Nazi opens Max Blumenthal event sponsored by Jeremy Corbyn MP. shira Nov 2014 #387
B'Tselem researcher says Holocaust never happened shira Nov 2014 #388
JVP via Mondoweiss: All Jews responsible 4 every Palestinian killed shira Nov 2014 #389
UNRWA employees openly celebrate murder of 4 Rabbis in synagogue attack shira Nov 2014 #390
Al-Jazeera op-ed praises synagogue murders of 4 Rabbis shira Nov 2014 #391
BDS Group Spreads Photoshopped Image of Concentration Camp Inmates Holding Anti-Israel Posters shira Nov 2014 #392
Jewish Students Have the Right to Feel Safe on Campus shira Dec 2014 #393
Croatia: Anti-Israel Palestinian-propaganda movie co-opts Anne Frank shira Dec 2014 #394
Dec 2014: Max Blumenthal does David Duke impersonation on twitter shira Dec 2014 #395
"Anti-Imperial" BDS posits Hamas supporters R more progressive than Lib. Zios shira Dec 2014 #396
Mondoweiss agrees w/ PLO: Terrorist murderers are freedom fighters shira Dec 2014 #398
Mondoweiss: Palestinians (Hamas) have right to self-defense shira Aug 2015 #439
Mondoweiss editor denies Jewish Temple history in Jerusalem shira Dec 2014 #399
Mondoweiss: Israel is satanic shira Dec 2014 #400
Mondoweiss publishes anti-semite & David Duke supporter Jeffrey Blankfort shira Dec 2014 #401
No. elleng Dec 2014 #402
Phil Weiss is Jewish & many examples in this thread show.... shira Dec 2014 #404
Daily Kos bans Mondoweiss for being anti-semitic shira Dec 2014 #403
Mondoweiss counts Jews; just like Stormfront & Jew Watch shira Dec 2014 #405
Mondoweiss whitewashes Hamas: "Understanding Hamas" shira Dec 2014 #406
Max Blumenthal calls on Israeli Jews to indigenize themselves in mideast... shira Dec 2014 #407
Max Blumenthal supports Hamas rockets and terror tunnels into Israel shira Dec 2014 #408
Dec. 6, 2014: BrightonBDS says beware of Zionist support for foodbanks shira Dec 2014 #409
Mondoweiss defends Hamas refusal to change grotesque, racist, genocidal charter.... shira Dec 2014 #410
Pro-Hamas Middle East Monitor (MEMO): Why Hamas shouldn't change charter... shira Dec 2014 #411
+972 with ridiculous article explaining away Hamas terror tunnels... shira Dec 2014 #412
So-called "Human Rights Watch" defends Hamas war crimes..... shira Dec 2014 #413
Lots of evidence of BDS hero David Sheen's ugly anti-semitism... shira Dec 2014 #414
10% of Mondoweiss funding comes from conservative, rightwing racist Ron Unz... shira Dec 2014 #415
Mondoweiss happy to publish longtime Jew hater Jeffrey Blankfort... shira Dec 2014 #416
Greta Berlin of FreeGaza & ISM claims Israel behind Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris shira Jan 2015 #417
FreeGaza, ISM, BDS'er Mary Hughes Thompson blames Zionists for Paris attack... shira Jan 2015 #418
S.African pro-terror BDS hosts double-hijacker Leila Khaled shira Jan 2015 #419
Mondoweiss: Doubling down with injection of truth..Terrorists = freedom fighters shira Jan 2015 #420
Pro-Hezbollah group #NYC2Palestine and JVP disrupted NYC council Auschwitz vote. shira Jan 2015 #421
UN Spox Chris Gunness runs cover for UNRWA Union's Holocaust denial shira Apr 2015 #422
Why equating Israel w/Nazis is soft-core Holocaust Denial shira Apr 2015 #423
"Pro-Palestinians" don't seem to be "pro-anyone" shira Apr 2015 #424
The Humanitarian Show shira Apr 2015 #425
There's something very ugly in this rage against Israel shira Apr 2015 #426
I think you should call an exorcist who can lay this thread to rest. n/t Little Tich Apr 2015 #428
You say you're strongly against hate & this thread proves beyond any.... shira Jun 2015 #435
and Anti-Manifest Destiny is anti-White-Male Tyranny Stargleamer Apr 2015 #427
Mondoweiss is a hate site shira May 2015 #429
Hamas supporters behind latest Flotilla from Sweden shira May 2015 #430
HRW's Ken Roth's very 1st tweet about Nepal disaster criticizes Israeli aid shira May 2015 #431
72% of EU Jews regard BDS as anti-Semitic: shira May 2015 #432
Lancet Medical Journal publishes lies & incitement from David Duke & 911 supporters shira May 2015 #433
President Obama says anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism shira Jun 2015 #434
South African BDS protesters threaten to kill Jews shira Jun 2015 #436
Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss counting Jews... shira Jun 2015 #437
Mondoweiss & Holocaust Deniers shira Jun 2015 #438
Mondoweiss still on the fence regarding antisemite, Alison Weir shira Aug 2015 #441
Just when Mondoweiss couldn't get more idiotic, THEY DO.... shira Jan 2016 #442
Amira Hass of Haaretz actually invokes "Elders of Zion" shira Jan 2016 #443
Gideon Levy justifies, incites more attacks on Jewish kids, elderly, pregnant women.... shira Jan 2016 #444
(Brilliant) Open letter to the anti-Israel Left. shira Feb 2016 #445
I can't decide whether Jews Down Under is a hate site or not. What do you think? Little Tich Feb 2016 #448
I'm not convinced it is. But that Open Letter nailed it, don't you think? n/t shira Feb 2016 #449
Oh, the post I replied to? Forgot about that, I was too busy attacking the messenger... Little Tich Feb 2016 #450
But all of that is 100% true. Try naming one thing that's false in that paragraph. n/t shira Feb 2016 #453
No. You try naming one of them leftist the article is "responding" to... n/t Little Tich Feb 2016 #454
That's easy... shira Feb 2016 #455
Well played... Little Tich Feb 2016 #456
It's just about removing settlements & ending occupation? Please. shira Feb 2016 #457
This is getting off-topic, but do you have a point with the 1947 partition plan? Little Tich Feb 2016 #458
Your being against the '47 Partition Plan shows you want the Jewish State gone... shira Feb 2016 #459
I'm not a -stater at all, so you can stop bifurcating... Little Tich Feb 2016 #460
If you want a solution where civil rights are retained.... shira Feb 2016 #461
I'm beginning to have problems with physically navigating this mammoth of a thread. Little Tich Feb 2016 #464
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #446
No. elleng Feb 2016 #451
HAMAS is the natural consequence of Zionist aggression against the farmers in Palestine.. Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #452
"globalresearch" is your go to source? grossproffit Feb 2016 #462
Is there a problem with the source? Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #463
John Mearsheimer endorses Far-Right racist Ron Unz shira Jun 2016 #465
Holocaust denier defends David Duke on Mondoweiss benefactor Ron Unz website... shira Jun 2016 #466
Mondoweiss: The meritocracy is rigged Little Tich Jun 2016 #469
Andrew Gelman completely ripped Unz's research... shira Jun 2016 #470
It's unconceivable that Philip Weiss is unaware of the extent of Unz's racialist ideas, Little Tich Jun 2016 #471
Of course Weiss knows. Now look into Paul Craig Roberts & tell me what you find. n/t shira Jun 2016 #472
Not interested in researching Paul Craig Roberts? shira Jun 2016 #475
I was unaware of his existence until you told me about him. Little Tich Jun 2016 #476
Ron Unz financially supports Paul Craig Roberts, Mondoweiss, Alison Weir.... shira Jun 2016 #477
Mondoweiss article deliberately incites vs. Jews, mistranslating hebrew to english... shira Jun 2016 #467
Historians rebut Ken Livingstone’s claim that Hitler supported Zionism shira Jun 2016 #468
Netanyahu's a perfect person libodem Jun 2016 #473
Helps if you actually read the OP rather than posting strawmen. n/t shira Jun 2016 #474
Mondoweiss defends antisemitic Mahmoud Abbas libel re: Rabbi poisoning water.... shira Jun 2016 #478
Founder of Breaking the Silence antisemitic libel: Israeli settlers poisoning Palestinian water shira Jun 2016 #479
Kick. Mosby May 2019 #481
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