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Israel/Palestine

In reply to the discussion: Only ourselves to blame [View all]
 

holdencaufield

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17. Here is where your "house analogy" falls to pieces.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:07 PM
Dec 2012

The West Bank is not a house ... it is disputed territory.

A house has a clearly agreed demarcation -- walls, gardens, fences, the West Bank does not. There have been several attempts to define the borders of the West Bank -- the Partition Plan of 1947, the Annexation of the West Bank by Jordan (which was an opportunity for Jordan to do the right thing and create a nascent Palestinian State) and most recently, Oslo -- all were rejected.

A house implies titular ownership -- the ownership of the West Bank is by no means legally decided. Yes, Palestinian Arabs live there, but so do Jews. With the exception of the years 1948 to 1967 when Jordan enforced Judenfrei, Jews have lived in Judea and Samaria (AKA "The West Bank&quot for three millennia.

The West Bank has been owned by Ottoman Turks, administered by the UK, annexed and then unannexed by Jordan and now is administered but not annexed by Israel so ownership is up for debate and would have to be agreed upon by all interested parties -- Jordan might even want a say given the historical bad blood between Jordan and the Palestinian leadership.

Negotiation -- not dogmatic adherence to a mythical coloured line -- will achieve a Palestinian State.

Only ourselves to blame [View all] azurnoir Dec 2012 OP
So what is he saying exactly? King_David Dec 2012 #1
Isn't he saying that: delrem Dec 2012 #2
Yea I thought so too King_David Dec 2012 #3
And your comments on the article are what?....... kayecy Dec 2012 #4
I disagree with him of course King_David Dec 2012 #5
And Israel's Eastern border?....... kayecy Dec 2012 #6
Geneva accord is a good start , yes. nt King_David Dec 2012 #7
Why not start with the Green Line?...............n/t kayecy Dec 2012 #8
The "Green Line" holdencaufield Dec 2012 #9
So what do you think the start point for permanent border negotiations shoiuld be?.......n/t kayecy Dec 2012 #11
You can only start from one place ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #12
You can only start from one place?....... kayecy Dec 2012 #13
Are you not familiar with the term "start"? holdencaufield Dec 2012 #15
But 'leave my house' is meaningless unless you first clarify what you mean by 'my house'...... kayecy Dec 2012 #16
Here is where your "house analogy" falls to pieces. holdencaufield Dec 2012 #17
The West Bank is occupied territory period the only ones who use the weasle term disputed are azurnoir Dec 2012 #18
The West Bank has been occupied territory for 2,000 years ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #19
when the ""you know who" became involved" no I don't azurnoir Dec 2012 #21
So why did you say you would begin negotiations by asking him to leave your house?........ kayecy Dec 2012 #22
IMO he was not cryptic at all azurnoir Dec 2012 #10
Yep, the usual knee-jerk sarcasm, but not at all unclear. nt bemildred Dec 2012 #14
I had heard of 'knee jerk reaction' but never 'knee jerk sarcasm' so I googled it... King_David Dec 2012 #20
An excellent example of knee-jerk assholery. bemildred Dec 2012 #23
Yes I agree ...LOL King_David Dec 2012 #24
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