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pelsar

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11. it hasn't... it wasnt part of the agreement
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:23 AM
Dec 2012

theres a lot more going on that just the settlements in case you haven't noticed.

your post simply skipped over everything else that involves building a country, which is what intifada I and oslo got started and what Israel in essence gave to the PA to get the whole have their own state get moving...that was negotiating in "good faith" giving them weapons, military equipment, getting them trained via the US, setting up borders for the various areas...and lots more.


and just a fun fact: the oslo accords did not mention that the settlements had to be stopped

Yet, Oslo made no mention of a settlement freeze—formal or otherwise—and, in fact, deferred the settlement issue altogether until so-called “permanent status” negotiations to be held in five years
http://muftah.org/original-sin-how-the-oslo-accords-enabled-continued-settlement-growth-by-khaled-elgindy/


so it seems your "its the settlements" was not exactly the problem, at least not according to the agreement.
unless of course it was the PA that was not negotiating in good faith

well?

A commitment to non-violence would go a long way oberliner Dec 2012 #1
Except it didn't Recursion Dec 2012 #2
Never been tried before oberliner Dec 2012 #3
I can't help your selective memory. Between the two intifadas Recursion Dec 2012 #4
guess i have to fill in what you chose not to... tsk tsk tsk pelsar Dec 2012 #8
When in that time did the settlement expansion stop? Recursion Dec 2012 #9
it hasn't... it wasnt part of the agreement pelsar Dec 2012 #11
Islamic Jihad's rockets weren't part of any ceasefire Recursion Dec 2012 #14
thats not the issue...we're learning about.... pelsar Dec 2012 #15
Nobody "receives" self-government. It is an absolute right. Recursion Dec 2012 #16
religious? pelsar Dec 2012 #19
You might at least admit there were two interpretations of Oslo....... kayecy Dec 2012 #17
multiple interpretations....of course pelsar Dec 2012 #18
You're back...we still disagree on most things, but glad that you're here. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #24
just a short visit..... pelsar Dec 2012 #25
Well, do what you need to do. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #52
Talk about selective memory oberliner Dec 2012 #12
I was talking about post 1993 Recursion Dec 2012 #13
300 Israelis were killed in terror attacks from 1993-2000. shira Dec 2012 #28
Because of course, Hamas and Islamic Jihad define all Palestinians Scootaloo Dec 2012 #21
your not even kidding.... pelsar Dec 2012 #26
What do you surmise the reason to be, Pelsar? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #29
for the same reason.... pelsar Dec 2012 #30
Funding, primarily Scootaloo Dec 2012 #31
how about priorities... pelsar Dec 2012 #32
I'm not talking about a political party, Pelsar Scootaloo Dec 2012 #34
what you didnt explain is why there are no funds..... pelsar Dec 2012 #35
Actually I did. I don't think it's getting through to you, though Scootaloo Dec 2012 #41
i'm well aware of the smaller groups.... pelsar Dec 2012 #56
Ah yes, you're going to tell me about "typical progressives" AND "typical palestinians" Scootaloo Dec 2012 #62
Sorry, have to make a small comment here. Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #57
Lame excuse. Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #71
There's "ignorant" and then there's "stupid" Scootaloo Dec 2012 #72
Cute. Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #73
Now you're telling fibs, silly Scootaloo Dec 2012 #74
Scoot, you're deflecting from the fact you were wrong. shira Dec 2012 #75
The thing is, I'm not wrong Scootaloo Dec 2012 #76
Come on. So if the PA or PLO had more resources.... shira Dec 2012 #77
I have no idea. What if aliens landed in Rafah? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #78
A history lesson pelsar Dec 2012 #79
You need to get your shit straight Scootaloo Dec 2012 #80
i was just answering to the moving conversation..... pelsar Dec 2012 #81
So if you have no idea and no evidence the PLO would fund Palestinian PeaceNow.... shira Dec 2012 #82
With its new status, what would happen if no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #5
Same thing that happened in '88 and '93 Recursion Dec 2012 #6
There's no evidence of that. delrem Dec 2012 #7
I think you meant "behind the 1967 borders" Ken Burch Dec 2012 #23
OK, I wiki'd it delrem Dec 2012 #40
It would. If BOTH sides made that commitment. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #55
The West Bank has been peaceful for years. What has that got them besides less land? Recursion Dec 2012 #10
A level of autonomy that hadn't existed for decades oberliner Dec 2012 #27
Absurd! Recursion Dec 2012 #36
None of those exist in Area A oberliner Dec 2012 #37
You're asking us to celebrate Bantustans? nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #39
No oberliner Dec 2012 #42
Yes, they gained Bantustans. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #46
They were offered a very fair deal in 2001.... shira Dec 2012 #49
Now Israel has become Arafat. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #65
Nope. But the PA is still like Arafat.... shira Dec 2012 #66
International pariah, incapable and disinterested in serious negotiations, tilting geek tragedy Dec 2012 #67
This pariah (deligitimization) effort began after the Taba accord.... shira Dec 2012 #68
You think Israel is more respected and supported today than it was geek tragedy Dec 2012 #69
You didn't answer my question. Attempts to delegitimize Israel by working.... shira Dec 2012 #70
Area A is a wonder 55% of Palestinians in the West Bank live there on 18% of the land azurnoir Dec 2012 #63
Yeah, just like Pine Ridge in South Dakota has been under Indian governance geek tragedy Dec 2012 #38
You really want to compare the Palestinian situation to that of Native Americans? oberliner Dec 2012 #43
Do explain further, Oberliner Scootaloo Dec 2012 #44
Ballpark figure of number of Native Americans killed from, say, 1620 onwards? oberliner Dec 2012 #47
Geek is referring to the reservation system, not the history that led there Scootaloo Dec 2012 #61
The only difference is that the Native Americans have become US citizens geek tragedy Dec 2012 #45
And the mass extermination oberliner Dec 2012 #48
Except... Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #58
And Netanyahu just goes on building and building.... kayecy Dec 2012 #59
Gaza has no right to control its own borders, its own air space, its own immigration policy, geek tragedy Dec 2012 #64
well it's a thought azurnoir Dec 2012 #20
Why is it necessary to dissolve the PA? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #22
If I understand Fareed... Scootaloo Dec 2012 #33
It will never happen. Ever. Abbas won't give up his power... shira Dec 2012 #50
I noticed that you NEVER admitted it was an unacceptable request. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #51
What request? If the PA wishes to fold and gives Israel the choice... shira Dec 2012 #53
the choice to do what? Keep the West Bank forever? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #54
Okay. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #60
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