Israel/Palestine

Lionessa

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10. I agree. Another aspect, it would be akin to retaliating against Mexico because

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:19 PM

Nov 2012

some of theirs kill some of ours in the ongoing war on drugs, which is as stupid and the Gaza blockades as far as doing anything more than forcing escalations of violence.

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A call to U.S. progressive Jews: Support Israel's 'get tough' policy in Gaza [View all] Mosby Nov 2012 OP

OMG, so Israel gets to cut off all supplies to Gaza, and folks in Gaza respond, and Lionessa Nov 2012 #1

this op/ed was written by Rabbi Joffe Mosby Nov 2012 #4

Hmmm ... how could we get Palestinians to stop retaliating ... earthside Nov 2012 #5

5 posts in we get a Holocaust reference Mosby Nov 2012 #7

Okay. How about this ... earthside Nov 2012 #8

Actually it's a Boer War reference Recursion Nov 2012 #9

connotations change over time Mosby Nov 2012 #24

What about the people of Gaza? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #27

the residents of Gaza voted in Hamas Mosby Nov 2012 #31

They were driven to hamas because nobody gave a damn about them. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #33

That's a fucking disgusting argument, Mosby. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #76

the Palestinians voted in an islamic terrorist group Mosby Nov 2012 #85

It's sick that you still don't get it. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #93

+1000 Precisely. nt rDigital Nov 2012 #119

+1 King_David Nov 2012 #128

the vote for Hamas in 2006 was in both the West Bank and Gaza and for the Palestinian Parliament azurnoir Nov 2012 #78

Agreed. It's not the fault of Palestinians in Gaza that Hamas.... shira Nov 2012 #89

Thank you, Shira Scootaloo Nov 2012 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2012 #121

Oh, I'm with you in that I agree Palestinians knew exactly who they were.... shira Nov 2012 #124

So, we bomb people now depending on how they vote? Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #92

I didn't say anything like that Mosby Nov 2012 #101

What would you call... Scootaloo Nov 2012 #37

Nice rant but did you forget about Gaza's border with Egypt? King_David Nov 2012 #50

Wow. A grain of truth. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #67

Nope King_David Nov 2012 #68

That's alright King D. I've got your number. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #70

Not sure what that means, King_David Nov 2012 #71

I believe that you do, but if you wish to be disingenuous R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #82

I didn't. It's simply irrelevant. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #72

Yes I can see how inconvenient it is for your argument. nt King_David Nov 2012 #80

If there were a free and open border, maybe. But there's not Scootaloo Nov 2012 #86

And even sadder that it was so totally predictable. abq e streeter Nov 2012 #28

And the Pope is the spiritual leader for 77 million American Catholics Scootaloo Nov 2012 #69

Gaza rockets began immediately after the 2005 Israeli pullout from Gaza.... shira Nov 2012 #20

Stop blockading yourself. Stop blockading yourself. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #43

What do you call a siege on only three sides ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #44

Yes or no. Does Israel Blockade Gaza. Yes or no? Yes or no? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #45

Israel blockades Gaza ONLY ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #46

I knew you would choke on YES. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #48

You can say the answer is FIVE holdencaufield Nov 2012 #49

Ha ha King_David Nov 2012 #52

Dig those heels in baby! R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #53

Perhaps you ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #60

And yet even the NYT says the word. Why are you afraid to? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #61

Hey , no "Apartheid" in your post? King_David Nov 2012 #51

Hey, no content in yours. So the same as usual for you? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #54

lol. Mosby Nov 2012 #56

is this supposed to be satire??? Is this from the onion? bowens43 Nov 2012 #2

Obviously this so called jounalist doesn't know that Americans kill more of our own Larkspur Nov 2012 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2012 #6

I agree. Another aspect, it would be akin to retaliating against Mexico because Lionessa Nov 2012 #10

No it isn't like that. aranthus Nov 2012 #11

Yes it is, based on the quote in the post I was responding to. Lionessa Nov 2012 #12

Israel is theocratic ? King_David Nov 2012 #14

Well, between Shas and the new Likud-Kach merger... Oh, I meant "Yisrael Beitinu" Scootaloo Nov 2012 #16

Umm...Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu are secular. n/t shira Nov 2012 #18

So is the Republican party. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #21

I agree I hope so too but Yisrael Beytanu King_David Nov 2012 #36

A country where one religious group has control over others is Lionessa Nov 2012 #17

France is in Europe not Asia even if I decide so.. King_David Nov 2012 #38

I believe Israel is clearly defined in #1. Lionessa Nov 2012 #40

Good Day or Good night where I am King_David Nov 2012 #47

yep let's get tough here and do it by killing pregnant women and children azurnoir Nov 2012 #13

So Israelis should just lie back and enjoy the rockets? n/t shira Nov 2012 #19

perhaps Israel should have honored the Egyptian brokered cease fire azurnoir Nov 2012 #22

Hamas broke the ceasefire. Nice try exonerating Hamas.... shira Nov 2012 #23

the cease fire was early THIS week azurnoir Nov 2012 #25

LOL. When this week? Source? n/t shira Nov 2012 #39

From this past Monday: "Hamas not considering ceasefire with Israel, spokesman says" oberliner Nov 2012 #41

Phony truce may have lured Hamas man into open azurnoir Nov 2012 #57

Egypt has taken to supporting terrorists in Gaza King_David Nov 2012 #129

Or else what? Get labeled a "Disloyal / self-hating Jew"? n/t Scootaloo Nov 2012 #15

No, we will just revoke their LA privileges. nt. Mosby Nov 2012 #26

+1 ellisonz Nov 2012 #87

Huh? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #112

. Mosby Nov 2012 #134

I get called that all the time. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #96

Looks like Netanyahu and his neocon buddies are throwing a sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #29

US State Dept has Israel's back Mosby Nov 2012 #32

Yeah, they have to say that. The propaganda re that whole mess makes sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #34

How many Americans do you know ? King_David Nov 2012 #55

Majority of polls. Rasmussen? Gallop? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #58

I think we have different senses of humor cos I don't get it . nt King_David Nov 2012 #62

When someone tries to make their case with emoticons ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #63

Yeah. You've used that hollow line before. I guess that you forgot. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #64

Nothing in your post counters any of the facts in the post you were responding to. You just Dick Dastardly Nov 2012 #65

The world in general has lost respect for Israel. The US is completely sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #77

The world in general never had any respect for Israel King_David Nov 2012 #79

The world didn't have the settlements excuse back then. n/t shira Nov 2012 #90

Poor, little Israel, has nothing but F-16s to respond to bottle rockets. leveymg Nov 2012 #30

Bottle rockets? abq e streeter Nov 2012 #35

By comparison to Israel's use of force in recent years, they're butterfly sneezes. leveymg Nov 2012 #59

"I wouldn't live on stolen land" holdencaufield Nov 2012 #74

Quote out of context, much? What was the very next sentence in that paragraph? leveymg Nov 2012 #81

What's out of context? holdencaufield Nov 2012 #83

Exactly. Israel has been itching for a fight it seems lately. Lionessa Nov 2012 #42

Gaza rocket fire kills three Israelis King_David Nov 2012 #66

Not the bottle rockets bullshit again... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #73

No, they are not by any means "bottle rockets," on this we can agree Scootaloo Nov 2012 #75

Could he/she attempt a disproportionate force argument without spewing lies ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #84

There are toy model rockets sold that are bigger than Hamas rockets leveymg Nov 2012 #88

Do those extreme model rockets have 10kg explosive payloads? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #97

"IDF" vs "Hamas terrorists" Think about your loaded use of terms, and how it prejudices your point. leveymg Nov 2012 #98

What is your point? Hamas is a terrorist organization shooting randomly at civilians ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #102

A statesman is a terrorist who survives long enough. E.g., Begin and Shamir. leveymg Nov 2012 #103

Its not the quantity, its the employment. ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #108

It's both. Which brings us back to the expensive "Iron Dome" antirocket system. What happened? leveymg Nov 2012 #109

Again with the bottle rockets BS... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #110

It's an effective, accurate meme, one that's easily grasped, so you dislike it. It's accurate leveymg Nov 2012 #115

Did you just really compare Qassams to model hobby rockets? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #113

Model rockets tipped with mortar shells. That's exactly what they are. leveymg Nov 2012 #116

I'm a progressive Jew and there's no way I'll back Israel's offensive. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #91

you clearly know very little about the conflict Mosby Nov 2012 #94

I clearly do know. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #95

In the larger sense, Israel has already lost the argument, particularly with American progressives, leveymg Nov 2012 #99

So you believe Israelis should lie back and enjoy the rockets? shira Nov 2012 #100

They're not nearly as much fun to watch as Israeli air strikes. No comparison. leveymg Nov 2012 #104

I'm another progressive Jew and I totally agree with you.. Raksha Nov 2012 #105

There was no blockade of Gaza when Israel withdrew in summer 2005.... shira Nov 2012 #106

Shira my question to you is what personally do you think should happen with this offensive and the hrmjustin Nov 2012 #107

The goal should be to do what they did with Hezbollah in Lebanon... shira Nov 2012 #114

Reciprocate with more colonization. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #118

Reciprocate with a peace deal along the lines of 2000 & 2008... shira Nov 2012 #120

Solidarity. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #117

You are definitely not alone. Raksha Nov 2012 #123

Not in my experience, King_David Nov 2012 #131

How did you learn "the hard way" ? oberliner Nov 2012 #125

'by ending the blockade of Gaza ' King_David Nov 2012 #132

It's a call for those progressives to become reactionary. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #122

It is worse than that, it implies that there is something Wrong if you are a progressive Jew and do still_one Nov 2012 #127

The Israeli government has been obsessed with keepng everybody in the Diaspora "on side" Ken Burch Nov 2012 #133

I think it was an unnecessary plea, King_David Nov 2012 #130

This shit has did not happen overnight. What about the illegal settlements? I am for a two state still_one Nov 2012 #126