Israel/Palestine

hack89

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21. The Palestinian are demonstrating why they are not ready to run a country

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:43 PM

Nov 2012

What is Israel to do? There can be no Palestinian state until the Palestinians are unified. How can Israel make any agreement with either faction until it is clear who will run a unified Palestinian state? Hamas would never agree to any agreement made between Israel and the PA and I am sure the PA feels the same regarding Hamas.

The Palestinians are being ill served by both the PA and Hamas - but it is not Israels job to save the PA or Hamas from themselves. If the Palestinians refuse to do the work necessary for a state then the lack of a state can not be laid at Israel's feet.

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PMO: Netanyahu Wants To Prepare International Public Opinion For Gaza Operation [View all] Purveyor Nov 2012 OP

I think Bibi's more interested in what's happening up North. bemildred Nov 2012 #1

I agree and hope you are right. morningfog Nov 2012 #98

Right now, it's doesn't look like I'm right. bemildred Nov 2012 #105

Bibi's logic reminds me of the view of General Sherman towards Native Americans... Larkspur Nov 2012 #2

That quote also encapsulates Hama's attitude towards Jews very well. hack89 Nov 2012 #3

Israel has the 5th most powerful military in the world Larkspur Nov 2012 #6

Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians hack89 Nov 2012 #7

why are you conflating Gaza with the West Bank? azurnoir Nov 2012 #9

Because the conversation was about Hamas? And the OP is about Gaza? hack89 Nov 2012 #11

except I have been paying attention and it was this part of your comment being addressed azurnoir Nov 2012 #15

So you are arguing that Israel has to make a separate peace with each Palestinian faction? hack89 Nov 2012 #17

I am telling that at the present time Gaza and the West Bank are under 2 separate governments azurnoir Nov 2012 #18

The Palestinian are demonstrating why they are not ready to run a country hack89 Nov 2012 #21

ah okay so you are saying that Hamas controls the show azurnoir Nov 2012 #25

No - I am saying the Palestinians are hopelessly divided hack89 Nov 2012 #54

Israel refuses to speak with Hamas at least publically as does the US azurnoir Nov 2012 #55

I support an independent Palestinian state hack89 Nov 2012 #62

your comment about Zionism is bullshit. Mosby Nov 2012 #12

well of course because the Palestinians got imported from where China? azurnoir Nov 2012 #16

palestinian nationalism started about 100 years ago Mosby Nov 2012 #20

and Jewish nationalism (Zionism) started about 130 years ago azurnoir Nov 2012 #26

Until they stop with the King_David Nov 2012 #31

Do you shed tears for the 1.4M Israelis under attack from Hamas... shira Nov 2012 #32

yes, a few killers will kill many innocents larkrake Nov 2012 #78

Israel will engage in genocide? Umm....okay. n/t shira Nov 2012 #83

Riiiight. 160 rockets have fallen into Israel since Saturday... shira Nov 2012 #4

When non-violent Palestinians are treated the same as terrorists Larkspur Nov 2012 #5

You mean 1.4 million Israelis are reaping rockets in return... shira Nov 2012 #22

Yes, most Israelis support the oppression of Palestinians, so they are Larkspur Nov 2012 #69

So the civilians of Gaza will collectively reap what Hamas is sowing? King_David Nov 2012 #75

No. Collective punishment vs. Israelis = good. Against Palestinians = bad. n/t shira Nov 2012 #84

Israel makes the argument for collective punishment every day. For every Israeli killed Larkspur Nov 2012 #91

Hamas is fighting against the occupation . King_David Nov 2012 #94

Israel once would not talk with the PLO, but it eventually did Larkspur Nov 2012 #124

Hamas wants Israel... sans Jews King_David Nov 2012 #125

Hamas, like the PLO before the, have also indicated that they would recognize Israel if a fair and Larkspur Nov 2012 #126

Hamas has indicated it would " Recognize Israel " King_David Nov 2012 #127

so Israel has done nothing in retailiation? no bombing no Palestinians killed nothing? azurnoir Nov 2012 #8

Obviously, the tit-for-tat isn't effective... shira Nov 2012 #23

"crap out of Hamas: or kick the crap out of Gaza azurnoir Nov 2012 #27

So you'd say 1.4M Israelis should just grin & bear it? n/t shira Nov 2012 #29

is that what they're doing now? isn't IDF proitecting them? n/t azurnoir Nov 2012 #33

How can the IDF protect from all Hamas' rockets? n/t shira Nov 2012 #35

and invading will accomplish that -how? it didn't last time azurnoir Nov 2012 #52

So what should Israel do? Lie down, take it? n/t shira Nov 2012 #60

haaretz is getting wierd Mosby Nov 2012 #10

The better question is 'does anyone take israel seriously...anymore'? oem Purveyor Nov 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #19

Yes Obama and The Democratic party, King_David Nov 2012 #39

They have long been at war. It is silly when we all act morningfog Nov 2012 #99

Are you equating Israel's response to rockets with the rockets themselves? shira Nov 2012 #102

I am asking if you know the numbers of rockets, morningfog Nov 2012 #103

I believe it's vile to compare Hamas' aggression vs. Israel's defense. shira Nov 2012 #104

Vile? Innocent people are dying on both sides. I think it is a perfectly fair morningfog Nov 2012 #114

Yes, vile. By equating Hamas to the IDF, you're sanitizing Hamas' attempts... shira Nov 2012 #115

The IDF does not have clean hands. Not anywhere near it. morningfog Nov 2012 #118

According to UN records, Israel is best with civilians in combat... shira Nov 2012 #119

I am glad that Israel, statistically, has a better kill ratio thatn NATO an others. morningfog Nov 2012 #120

I don't buy the proportionality argument... shira Nov 2012 #121

Dodge, dodge, dodge. It isn't proportionality we are talking about. morningfog Nov 2012 #122

Hamas it seems is praying too King_David Nov 2012 #38

Sounds like Bibi just wants to kill him some Muslims before the election. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #13

160 rockets putting 1.4 million Israelis into bunkers the past 3 days.... shira Nov 2012 #24

and the 1.6 million Gazan who do not have bunkers because Israel will not allow the building materia azurnoir Nov 2012 #28

1.6M Gazans are not Israel's targets, are they? shira Nov 2012 #30

so you are claiming that IDF will only be killing Hamas azurnoir Nov 2012 #34

So no sympathy for 1.4M Israelis being targeted... shira Nov 2012 #37

so Palestinian civilians are human sheilds because they live in Gaza got it azurnoir Nov 2012 #41

No outrage at Hamas for human shields? Got it. n/t shira Nov 2012 #59

You don't have to support an Israeli attack on Gaza Ken Burch Nov 2012 #46

so what should Israel do? n/t shira Nov 2012 #57

There was no good reason to deny Gazan civilians safe places to hide Ken Burch Nov 2012 #45

There's no good reason to run interference for Hamas shira Nov 2012 #58

I'm not running interference for Hamas. I'm speaking out for the people of Gaza Ken Burch Nov 2012 #67

Some people here on DU think Israeli citizens shouldn't have to suffer for what Bibi does. King_David Nov 2012 #80

But you never call out Hamas for using human shields... shira Nov 2012 #85

So maybe then Israel should just lie back King_David Nov 2012 #36

So what to do about the rockets? King_David Nov 2012 #40

why do you replace Israelis with Jews? azurnoir Nov 2012 #42

The Majority of that State are Jews...Israel is The Jewish State, King_David Nov 2012 #43

by that reasoning America and Canada are the White or European or Caucasian states azurnoir Nov 2012 #44

So there is no Jewish State? King_David Nov 2012 #48

yes as the POTUS Israel there is that azurnoir Nov 2012 #50

The Jewish State is a reality, deny it all you want,it makes no difference to us, King_David Nov 2012 #51

yes Israel is a reality the Jewish Stae is a meme an ideal of what some want Israel to be azurnoir Nov 2012 #53

it makes no difference to us... R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #71

'We all have your number' King_David Nov 2012 #72

I'm sure we all understand that you understand. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #73

Ok whatever... King_David Nov 2012 #74

Have you friended Shaktimaan yet? Talk about juvenile. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #77

If you're really interested in apartheid and not indifferent to it vs. Palestinians.... shira Nov 2012 #86

If you're really interested in apartheid and not indifferent to Israeli usage of it R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #92

And that goes to show you really aren't interested in talking apartheid. shira Nov 2012 #95

And that goes to show you really aren't interested in talking Israeli apartheid. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #97

I thought you wanted to talk apartheid vs. Palestinians. Guess not. n/t shira Nov 2012 #101

Keep on blowing that smoke up our arse. You're really good at it. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #106

You asked how many Palestinians live in settlements... shira Nov 2012 #107

Did you even bother to read the article???? Are you fu*king kidding me? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #111

No, not the OP. See post #81 in that same thread... shira Nov 2012 #113

Yes, Apartheid. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #123

Everyone's an "Amateur " to you.. King_David Nov 2012 #108

No. Not true, King D. Not even close. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #109

"Amateur , Apartheid Apartheid epic fails King_David Nov 2012 #110

Yes, you must grow up. Exactly! I'm glad you have caught on. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #112

24%. King D likes to play up the 76% and ignore the rest. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #70

Because you have my number? King_David Nov 2012 #76

Why do you ignore 24% of the Israeli population that are non Jewish? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #81

Your bizzare questions are the same as asking you :'When did you stop beating your kids?' ? King_David Nov 2012 #82

I can see how you are indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians since you can't even acknowledge R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #93

The Israelis(this has nothing to do with "Jews" and you know it)have an obligation Ken Burch Nov 2012 #47

Nonsense ,The Jewish State aka Israel, King_David Nov 2012 #49

well I hate to dash your hopes for a stern defense of Israel but azurnoir Nov 2012 #65

Not again with malicious charges of targeting civilians.... shira Nov 2012 #61

Oh heavens forfend we all just know the onlyest ones that target civilians are Palestinians azurnoir Nov 2012 #64

Hamas shouldn't fire rockets. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #68

If Bibi wants to do it, the world can't stop him. He should leave it at that. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #56

What is it he wants to do against Arabs and Muslims? King_David Nov 2012 #63

What Bibi feels doesn't extend to 12 million other people Ken Burch Nov 2012 #66

Well said. morningfog Nov 2012 #100

One more time. Israel does not want peace. PDJane Nov 2012 #79

So Israel's peace offers in 2000 and 2008 were really declarations of war? shira Nov 2012 #87

Yeah, really. PDJane Nov 2012 #88

LOL. shira Nov 2012 #89

I do know. Don't assume the audience is ignorant just because they disagree. PDJane Nov 2012 #90

So people backing the Geneva Initiative don't want peace either. shira Nov 2012 #96

um shira do we really have to go over this again? let's look at the facts behind Olmerts offer azurnoir Nov 2012 #116

see #116 n/t azurnoir Nov 2012 #117