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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
8. The preservation of the Jewish homeland, and peace and security for Israeli citizens
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 01:41 AM
Nov 2012

If you don't like the federation option(and a growing number of Israelis actually find it an interesting possibility, actually)then you need to be pushing Bibi and Co. to, at a bare minimum, impose a permanent moratorium on settlement expansion and as much lessening as possible of the repression imposed on Palestinians by the Occupation.

The two-state option can't survive if Israel keeps trying to make a Palestinian state as small and helpless as possible, and if Israel's leaders insist that a two-state solution be predicated on the insulting and humiliating notion that Israel can be trusted but that no Palestinian state can ever be. Palestinians have just as much reason to distrust Israeli intentions as Israelis have to distrust Palestinian intentions. Peace can't be built on one side insisting on having total power over the other side.

"Palestinian national consciousness has a claim to the entire land of Mandate Palestine" oberliner Nov 2012 #1
Zionist consciousness makes the SAME claim Ken Burch Nov 2012 #2
That is essentially the author's entire point oberliner Nov 2012 #3
Thats ridiculous King_David Nov 2012 #4
Most Flemish voters rejected this party Ken Burch Nov 2012 #5
It aint an option. nt King_David Nov 2012 #6
Preserving the status quo(Israel WITHOUT a Palestinian state for the indefinite future) Ken Burch Nov 2012 #9
"it needs to be two states NOW" holdencaufield Nov 2012 #17
The status quo can't ever lead to conciliation in the future. All the status quo does Ken Burch Nov 2012 #23
Sounds like a very good reason... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #25
You keep acting as if it's ALL the Palestinians' fault Ken Burch Nov 2012 #29
Au contraire ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #30
Actually, Israel has a lot to lose, if its leaders actually WANT peace. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #31
"...it cannot produce moderation on the Palestinian side.." holdencaufield Nov 2012 #32
Completely inappropriate analogy Ken Burch Nov 2012 #33
not a chance. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #7
The preservation of the Jewish homeland, and peace and security for Israeli citizens Ken Burch Nov 2012 #8
More chance of working between King_David Nov 2012 #10
NO Palestinians want to be Jordanian. None ever will be. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #11
quite a few Palestinians are Jordanian or at least have Jordanian citizenship azurnoir Nov 2012 #12
I meant West Bank Palestinians. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #15
So a Belgian Type federation is more likely to work between Israel (Majority Jews) than King_David Nov 2012 #14
Palestinians don't WANT to be part of Jordan. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #16
"Palestinians don't WANT to be part of Jordan." holdencaufield Nov 2012 #18
that's not true. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #22
"Occupation and ... settlements couldn't ever make Palestinians make the choices" holdencaufield Nov 2012 #26
And so ? King_David Nov 2012 #19
You aren't actually discussing...you're just being silly. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #21
Again your talking "for" another poster ... King_David Nov 2012 #24
well if the Jordanian government was ruling the West Bank things might be different azurnoir Nov 2012 #27
"between Israel and any other of the non democratic entities in the region." azurnoir Nov 2012 #13
Is that a Belgian type federation now ? King_David Nov 2012 #20
nope but you're free to claim whatever you wish azurnoir Nov 2012 #28
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