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shira

(30,109 posts)
40. Most of us don't want apartheid
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 09:26 AM
Oct 2012

Let's begin with the headline; its dramatic effect is in direct proportion to its misleading information. There is no basis in the data for maintaining that most Israelis support an "apartheid regime" in Israel. In fact, in the article, the small print, the sensational conclusion is restricted by the words: "If it (Israel) annexes the territories." But even after the correction, the conclusion is mistaken and misleading. That's because it's based on the fact that 69 percent said they opposed granting the right to vote to the Palestinians if the West Bank were annexed.

But this finding must be examined in light of the fact that according to the survey, most Israeli Jews oppose annexing the territories. In response to the question "Would you want Israel to annex the territories with settlements in them?" (and note, it does not refer to the territories but only to those "with settlements in them" ), 48 percent said they opposed annexation, while 33 percent supported it.

But here's the thing: Most Israeli Jews really do object, and rightly so, to letting the 2.5 million Arabs in the territories vote in Knesset elections, because that means the end of Israel as a Jewish state and the end of the Zionist dream. But the same majority is also unwilling to live in a country with an "apartheid regime," so it opposes the annexation of territories. That's the survey's most important finding, and its conclusion is exactly the opposite of what's written in the article's headline.

The pull quote that says 58 percent believe that an "apartheid regime" already reigns in Israel is mistaken and misleading. According to the findings, when asked "Is there apartheid in Israel?" 31 percent said there was no apartheid at all, only 19 percent said there was apartheid in many fields, and 39 percent said it existed "in a few fields." The very use of the word "apartheid," which was not even defined, is somewhat misleading and clearly shows the objective of the people who commissioned the survey.

The most reasonable meaning of the response "in a few fields" is that in Israel there is discrimination against Arabs on certain issues. Unfortunately, that's the situation and it needs improvement, but it's a far cry from concluding that most Israeli Jews believe that an "apartheid regime" reigns in Israel.


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/most-of-us-don-t-want-apartheid.premium-1.472660

No wonder libodem Oct 2012 #1
actually from the way the article puts it seems all most like heck ya azurnoir Oct 2012 #2
That was the impression that I had... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #9
could be azurnoir Oct 2012 #19
It's only just beginning TomClash Oct 2012 #21
Well, I guess it's OK to say that after all. bemildred Oct 2012 #3
Where's the poll? oberliner Oct 2012 #4
You are right to ask for it, King_David Oct 2012 #5
well the article says that the poll was published in Haaretz azurnoir Oct 2012 #6
No it doesn't and it wasn't oberliner Oct 2012 #7
yes it was in Haaretz Silversteins article had a word doc. about the poll azurnoir Oct 2012 #8
No it wasn't oberliner Oct 2012 #10
so it's a bad translation, is that what your saying? azurnoir Oct 2012 #18
The poll is in Hebrew oberliner Oct 2012 #25
so you don't accept the English translation contained in the link you posted either? azurnoir Oct 2012 #26
The poll is in Hebrew oberliner Oct 2012 #29
your point seem quite movable so you now say the link with translation you posted was accurate? azurnoir Oct 2012 #30
Silverstein's blog is good fantasy King_David Oct 2012 #14
yep thanks for pointing out why that was chosen over Ha'aretz azurnoir Oct 2012 #17
His next exclusive will be about holes in bagels.... shira Oct 2012 #23
Israelis Support Apartheid? Not So Fast. shira Oct 2012 #24
These objections are completely spurious... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #35
So spurious, NIF disassociated itself from poll it commissioned. n/t shira Oct 2012 #36
I can understand why it does kinda make the New Israel Fund look bad azurnoir Oct 2012 #37
Exactly, just like that time the American Jewish Committee shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #38
Haaretz and Apartheid: The Full Picture shira Oct 2012 #11
seems Avi managed to pull humself away from obsessing over twitter feeds for this spin azurnoir Oct 2012 #12
I think it's funny how bigots spin polls to portray Jews... shira Oct 2012 #13
again the Haaretz graphic gives the poll results and speaks for itself azurnoir Oct 2012 #16
Do you now believe there's apartheid within Israel.... shira Oct 2012 #22
I actually don't know but apparently azurnoir Oct 2012 #27
You know what I hate about Israelis? shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #32
The poll is crap & so are the results & conclusions. shira Oct 2012 #34
Catching antisemites red handed King_David Oct 2012 #15
Some obviously don't like when anti-Semites are caught red handed. n/t shira Oct 2012 #20
some like it even less when the antisemite gets condemned from the 'wrong' party azurnoir Oct 2012 #28
They all pots and kettles King_David Oct 2012 #31
NIF disassociates itself from poll it commissioned... shira Oct 2012 #33
Palestine dontknowmuchbout Oct 2012 #39
Clearly. nt King_David Oct 2012 #42
Most of us don't want apartheid shira Oct 2012 #40
Haaretz apologizes for distorted article shira Oct 2012 #41
BOGUS King_David Oct 2012 #43
Retraction by Gideon Levy shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #44
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