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leveymg

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40. I said that IAF F-4 fighter jets were downed by the SA-7 during the '73 War.

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:39 PM

Oct 2012

That was my original assertion (#14), and I believe that I have demonstrated that.
I provided documentary evidence to show the SA-7 MANPAD is capable of and did shoot down "fast movers" (fixed-wing military jets). You haven't established anything other than you put mustard on your pretzels.
You have insisted despite evidence that these weapons pose no serious threats to jet aircraft. You are simply wrong.
Bye, and have a safe flight home.

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Israel Official Says Gaza Militants Getting Anti-Aircraft Missiles From Libyan War Leftovers [View all] Purveyor Oct 2012 OP

If you occupy a country, pennylane100 Oct 2012 #1

What does that have to do with Gaza? oberliner Oct 2012 #3

I realize that this reply is a little late, but just reread it pennylane100 Oct 2012 #46

OK thanks for the response oberliner Oct 2012 #52

If you fire missiles at Israel don't expect them to sit on their hands King_David Oct 2012 #10

Classic blowback coming to the increasingly unfriendly skies near you. leveymg Oct 2012 #2

Good question. What is the difference with arming Syrian insurgents and not the Palestinians? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #5

Iran? azurnoir Oct 2012 #6

ahh... hello- what about Iran?? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #7

the difference between arming the Palestinians and Syrian insurgents azurnoir Oct 2012 #9

so what? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #19

Maybe because according to Obama , King_David Oct 2012 #11

yeah - nothing to do with "freedom, liberty, justice, democracy" and all that other junk. Right? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #51

Israel is the USA's most important ally King_David Oct 2012 #58

I would say that is not accurate. SESKATOW Oct 2012 #64

Perhaps if you stated the question more clearly. bemildred Oct 2012 #43

wasnt it obvious -a comment on the hypocritical west SESKATOW Oct 2012 #50

Not really, I see all sorts of opinions here, and many don't even make sense. bemildred Oct 2012 #53

you left without giving your opinion SESKATOW Oct 2012 #54

OK, the difference is the Syrian insurgents will get weapons and the Palestinians won't. bemildred Oct 2012 #55

because??? then what a sham democracy the US has SESKATOW Oct 2012 #56

Ha ha King_David Oct 2012 #59

apparently you are unable to. Haha SESKATOW Oct 2012 #63

Have a nice day. bemildred Oct 2012 #65

my goodness - you cant engage SESKATOW Oct 2012 #66

Not with you. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #67

fair enought- its not in your comfort zone SESKATOW Oct 2012 #68

You don't know shit about me. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #69

Plenty now SESKATOW Oct 2012 #70

Yawn. bemildred Oct 2012 #71

I'd be very surprised ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #72

You never know, sometimes they calm down, sometimes they don't. bemildred Oct 2012 #73

No worries jabotinsky SESKATOW Oct 2012 #74

So, ummm, you want to take over now? bemildred Oct 2012 #75

No, my dear ol' mum told me ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #76

The MANPAD threat has already well spread ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #8

You don't seem to appreciate the dilemma that Libyan MANPADs present for Israel and the US leveymg Oct 2012 #13

I fully appreciate what they represent ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #15

My point is "those knowledgable in this matter" went ahead with regime change, regardless. leveymg Oct 2012 #17

Unfortunately it wasn't just the neocons pushing regime change ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #18

All these consequences were foreseeable, if one wants to foresee results rather than advocate policy leveymg Oct 2012 #20

There will hell to pay over this azurnoir Oct 2012 #4

It's really very Bush-like, very Neocon, bemildred Oct 2012 #44

well the players should watch where they leave their toys laying around that's for sure azurnoir Oct 2012 #45

Complete and utter bollocks shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #12

In the end analysis, this has everything to do with Libyan and Syrian regime change operations. leveymg Oct 2012 #14

From the SA-7 wiki shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #21

Same wiki also details dozens of combat and passenger jets shot down by SA-7s over the years leveymg Oct 2012 #26

No it does not... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #27

SA7 "ineffective against combat jets" Tell that to the pilot of this IAF Mirage (1973). Video: leveymg Oct 2012 #29

And, if you still don't think SAMs are dangerous to combat jets, here's a USAF F15 over Iraq leveymg Oct 2012 #30

Quit bullshitting shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #33

Quit being deceptive. It's a MANPAD - look at the relative size of the missile vs the plane leveymg Oct 2012 #34

Well, you posted the video shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #37

Your reasoning reminds me of a pretzel. leveymg Oct 2012 #38

I didnt post the video... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #39

I said that IAF F-4 fighter jets were downed by the SA-7 during the '73 War. leveymg Oct 2012 #40

You haven't provided much evidence of anything at all... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #41

We agree, then, about the serious threat posed by the SA-7 to civilian jets. leveymg Oct 2012 #42

There's still nothing to tie this to the Libyans... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #47

Nothing except that the number of MANPADs floating around on the world market has gone up 1000% leveymg Oct 2012 #48

Probably more like a million billion percent... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #49

I suggest you learn something about the technology and the history of its use ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #16

I doubt you'd know one end of a rifle from the other... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #22

Well for starters I know that that it uses IR and not RADAR ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #23

Well for starters you probably just googled it... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #24

Not at all...I have handled them ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #25

You're handling something... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #28

I think the US has more SA-7s than your magic militia friends ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #31

Yeah, and I'm sure you personally inspect them whenever you have the chance shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #32

You might want to consider that some of us here are former US military and/or DoD. ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #35

I also consider that quite a lot of you talk out of your arse... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #36

"Ive seen SA-7s and spoken to militia members who carried them" holdencaufield Oct 2012 #60

Its a big world out there boyo... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #61

So ... just to be clear ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #62

One of my favourite stories ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #57