Zionists, Jews and Israel: Are they different for Israel-bashers? [View all]

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Soviet bashers

Under Stalin and then Kruscheff, the Soviets weaved Zionism, Jews and Judaism into one motif.

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Arab-Palestinian bashers

After the attacks of September 11 Saudi Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz stated that the Jews were behind it. He used that word and no other. But when Associated Press (AP) reported the story it said that Zionists (not Jews) were behind 9/11.

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NGO bashers
At the World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, held September 2001 in Durban, delegates from around the world gathered for eight days. Members of NGOs indulged in a xenophobic orgy of anti-Israel and anti-Jewish incitement.

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Zionists, Jews and Israel: Are they different for Israel-bashers? [View all]	shira	Sep 2012	OP
Thanks shira for posting more from former apartheidist Steve Apfel	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#1
When you have nothing, attack the messenger with something/anything?	shira	Sep 2012	#2
ummm Apfels ravings against the ANC and Desmond Tutu would tend to speak for themselves n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#5
Umm, no they don't. But what's really interesting...	shira	Sep 2012	#9
Surely everyone here 'attacks the messenger'	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#11
So you attack the messenger no matter the message....	shira	Sep 2012	#20
Yet in another post you say...	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#29
In that other post, I quoted his anti-Jewish bigotry in order to show...	shira	Sep 2012	#32
ANC members does not mean "non whites"	King_David	Sep 2012	#3
well thanks for the info about Ronnie Kasrils, if memoery serves	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#4
Like I said ,	King_David	Sep 2012	#6
it doesn't mean White either as you implied	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#7
Huh?	King_David	Sep 2012	#8
but "zionists" and "israelis" means "Jews" right?	shaayecanaan	Sep 2012	#46
Kasrils being in the ANC is enough to call into question...	shira	Sep 2012	#10
If he's Jewish, he's not an antisemite...End of discussion.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#12
Really? If Bridget Gabriel and Wafa Sultan are bigots....	shira	Sep 2012	#14
Because they don't want nazi-like results.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#17
You don't think Atzmon is an anti-semite? How about...	shira	Sep 2012	#18
Fischer was. Like Atzmon, however, Fischer was totally self-marginalizing-we all knew he was nuts.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#19
So you're wrong about Jews who can't be antisemitic....	shira	Sep 2012	#21
Atzmon is simply an irrelevant madman. He doesn't matter.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#23
He's not irrelevant to the ISM, FGM, Richard Falk, or Walt/Mearsheimer...	shira	Sep 2012	#24
The anti-zionist movement isn't responsible for Atzmon.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#25
You wrote earlier Bobby Fischer was an anti-Semite. He's Jewish...	shira	Sep 2012	#27
Why is it so important to label Atzmon an antisemite? Isn't it enough	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#30
You won't label Atzmon an anti-semite despite the experts' definition...	shira	Sep 2012	#33
No...ALL of that is antisemitism. I denounce all of them.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#34
So to be clear, those who spew great amounts of anti-semitism....	shira	Sep 2012	#35
Why the necessity? I'll say this...	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#36
The point is, despite what experts about anti-semitism say....	shira	Sep 2012	#37
As you said...he was ejected. And rightly so. That means he no longer matters.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#42
"Atzmon simply isn't an important figure and he has no following at all."	oberliner	Sep 2012	#43
Atzmon's fan club includes Mearsheimer, Falk....	shira	Sep 2012	#45
He does matter. See post #41 below.	shira	Sep 2012	#44
untrue	Shaktimaan	Nov 2012	#49
Jews can definitely be (and have been) antisemites	oberliner	Nov 2012	#51
Shira...STOP relentlessly equating all criticism of Israel with antisemitism!	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#13
You can't argue against any points in the OP, can you? n/t	shira	Sep 2012	#15
The OP is contempible bilge.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#16
Ken its the going theme let it be	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#22
How can you say certain people and organizations take a stand vs. anti-semitism....	shira	Sep 2012	#28
The Balad party is bad...it's also too small to be a threat to anybody.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#31
But it's leader, Zoabi, is loved and admired within the anti-Zionist movement....	shira	Sep 2012	#39
Anti-zionism (not criticism) is anti-semitism. n/t	shira	Sep 2012	#47
No.	JoeyT	Sep 2012	#26
If they're entirely separate groups, how do you explain a creature....	shira	Sep 2012	#38
I don't know who Gilad Atzmon is,	JoeyT	Sep 2012	#40
His ouster did cause some splintering, but the point is....	shira	Sep 2012	#41
Christians attacked in Jerusalem. No Jews were involved. MSM ignores story. You do the math.	shira	Sep 2012	#48
Having been a former semi-basher......	AverageJoe90	Nov 2012	#50