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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
51. You were discussing the re-taking of Sinai with holden
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:37 AM
Aug 2012

and you sounded as if you were saying that it would be an injustice for the world NOT to support Israel re-taking the Sinai from Egypt. Did I get you wrong on that?

Israel would have the right to defend itself against Egyptian attack...but that defense could not legitimately include re-taking the Sinai. Israel doesn't NEED the Sinai for defensive purposes...and Israeli control of the Sinai didn't stop Egypt from launching the Yom Kippur War(the war in which Israel came closer to losing to an Arab country than any of the others).

Arabs Believe Israel Just Attacked Egypt [View all] Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 OP
The new Egypt. Definitely good for mideast peace. So progressive! n/t shira Aug 2012 #1
On the plus side... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #2
Won't happen. Egypt can do whatever it wants to violate CD 1978... shira Aug 2012 #3
Yes Bradlad Aug 2012 #4
Because Israel doesn't want to be at war with Egypt aranthus Aug 2012 #5
Israel never wanted to be at war with anyone -- ever. holdencaufield Aug 2012 #8
Yeah, right, Israel NEVER wanted to be at war. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #13
And by that logic... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #15
I said nothing about "Jews"...Israel's political leaders are not "the Jews". Ken Burch Aug 2012 #16
Israel's political leaders are not "the Jews" holdencaufield Aug 2012 #17
They are Jewish, but they are not "the Jews" Ken Burch Aug 2012 #18
Interesting... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #19
Well, yeah, a lot of antisemites(in fact, pretty much all of them) ARE idiots. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #20
So, according to you.. holdencaufield Aug 2012 #23
No, that's NOT what I'm saying at all. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #24
Your assumption that... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #27
All anti-semites are idiots? Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #66
You are correct. Bradlad Sep 2012 #67
can you define that for us azurnoir Aug 2012 #21
For the record, I myself have been SAID to "look Jewish", whatever that means. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #25
"I choose to take it as a compliment" holdencaufield Aug 2012 #29
I've been a fan of that humor for decades now. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #31
ya ya just pointin' out a double standard thanks azurnoir Aug 2012 #32
As long as you understand... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #35
but it was nothing I already didn't know thanks azurnoir Aug 2012 #37
yep and actually so have I too n/t azurnoir Aug 2012 #34
fantasy land...you have learned very little over these months... pelsar Aug 2012 #22
There was no new information in the posts I responded to. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #26
your wrote: pelsar Aug 2012 #28
Apparently... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #30
As does every other country in the world Ken Burch Aug 2012 #36
OK, so they have familes and friends who are in the fight...so do Palestinian leaders... Ken Burch Aug 2012 #33
your arrogance is amazing..... pelsar Aug 2012 #38
If they cared about the lives of the troops, they wouldn't choose inflexible and hardline policies. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #39
"...they wouldn't keep expanding the -- settlements" holdencaufield Aug 2012 #40
Settlement expansion is not saving the lives of Israelis Ken Burch Aug 2012 #41
You're changed your argument ... again holdencaufield Aug 2012 #42
I don't need to admit to an inverse relationship between settlement expansion and risk Ken Burch Aug 2012 #53
That was my point... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #54
OK...let me ask you this... Ken Burch Aug 2012 #14
Are you responding to the wrong person? I didn't mention Israel taking Sinai back... shira Aug 2012 #43
You were discussing the re-taking of Sinai with holden Ken Burch Aug 2012 #51
No I wasn't. See, you can't even admit you're wrong... shira Aug 2012 #59
And that was our daily Kahanist comment for today... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #6
actually Dunnigan is a war game designer azurnoir Aug 2012 #9
He sounds like it... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #10
yep it's kind of like one can imagine Bibi is sitting around azurnoir Aug 2012 #11
Maybe you could start a fundraising drive to bring Mubarak back... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #7
Egypt is so much better off under the Brotherhood, isn't it? shira Aug 2012 #44
You opposed democracy in Egypt long before the brotherhood were elected... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #46
You call that democracy, don't you? The Palestinians had democracy too... shira Aug 2012 #47
The Kahanists are already in power to some extent shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #64
Give it up, shira. Mubarak couldn't have been kept in power no matter what. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #12
So you're in favor of Brotherhood rule? Egypt is getting more hopelessly rightwing.... shira Aug 2012 #45
It's not as if the only choices are being pro-MB or saying Mubarak should have been kept in power. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #49
Based on history . . Bradlad Aug 2012 #55
Look, what was the alternative in this situation? Ken Burch Aug 2012 #57
One alternative is to not label the MB and the uprising as progressive,.... shira Aug 2012 #61
I never labeled the MB as progressive...but the uprising wasn't run by the MB or synonymous with it. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #62
You drank the Kool-Aid and wrote that the MB in Egypt... shira Aug 2012 #63
I didn't call it progressive. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #65
So what should be done about the tyrant ruling Iran? oberliner Aug 2012 #48
The secular opposition types should be assisted(I don't know what they actually want outsiders to do Ken Burch Aug 2012 #50
Thanks for the response oberliner Aug 2012 #56
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote there. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #58
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #60
Leave the Bedouin alone. burnsei sensei Aug 2012 #52
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