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In the discussion thread: Arabs Believe Israel Just Attacked Egypt [View all]

Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:09 AM

27. Your assumption that...

... Israeli policy and global antisemitism are sine qua non is demonstrably wrong.

If they were, if there were any kind of cause and effect relationship, then we would see a marked RISE in global antisemitism compared to any other point in history prior to the creation of Israel. But, we see in fact there is LESS.

But -- I'm intrigued by your argument that the LESS Jews in Israel defend themselves -- the SAFER Jews around the world will be. I tend to think just the opposite.

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67 replies	Author	Time	Post
Arabs Believe Israel Just Attacked Egypt [View all]	Grave Grumbler	Aug 2012	OP
The new Egypt. Definitely good for mideast peace. So progressive! n/t	shira	Aug 2012	#1
On the plus side...	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#2
Won't happen. Egypt can do whatever it wants to violate CD 1978...	shira	Aug 2012	#3
Yes	Bradlad	Aug 2012	#4
Because Israel doesn't want to be at war with Egypt	aranthus	Aug 2012	#5
Israel never wanted to be at war with anyone -- ever.	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#8
Yeah, right, Israel NEVER wanted to be at war.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#13
And by that logic...	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#15
I said nothing about "Jews"...Israel's political leaders are not "the Jews".	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#16
Israel's political leaders are not "the Jews"	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#17
They are Jewish, but they are not "the Jews"	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#18
Interesting...	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#19
Well, yeah, a lot of antisemites(in fact, pretty much all of them) ARE idiots.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#20
So, according to you..	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#23
No, that's NOT what I'm saying at all.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#24
Your assumption that...	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#27
All anti-semites are idiots?	Shaktimaan	Sep 2012	#66
You are correct.	Bradlad	Sep 2012	#67
can you define that for us	azurnoir	Aug 2012	#21
For the record, I myself have been SAID to "look Jewish", whatever that means.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#25
"I choose to take it as a compliment"	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#29
I've been a fan of that humor for decades now.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#31
ya ya just pointin' out a double standard thanks	azurnoir	Aug 2012	#32
As long as you understand...	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#35
but it was nothing I already didn't know thanks	azurnoir	Aug 2012	#37
yep and actually so have I too n/t	azurnoir	Aug 2012	#34
fantasy land...you have learned very little over these months...	pelsar	Aug 2012	#22
There was no new information in the posts I responded to.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#26
your wrote:	pelsar	Aug 2012	#28
Apparently...	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#30
As does every other country in the world	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#36
OK, so they have familes and friends who are in the fight...so do Palestinian leaders...	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#33
your arrogance is amazing.....	pelsar	Aug 2012	#38
If they cared about the lives of the troops, they wouldn't choose inflexible and hardline policies.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#39
"...they wouldn't keep expanding the -- settlements"	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#40
Settlement expansion is not saving the lives of Israelis	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#41
You're changed your argument ... again	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#42
I don't need to admit to an inverse relationship between settlement expansion and risk	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#53
That was my point...	holdencaufield	Aug 2012	#54
OK...let me ask you this...	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#14
Are you responding to the wrong person? I didn't mention Israel taking Sinai back...	shira	Aug 2012	#43
You were discussing the re-taking of Sinai with holden	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#51
No I wasn't. See, you can't even admit you're wrong...	shira	Aug 2012	#59
And that was our daily Kahanist comment for today...	shaayecanaan	Aug 2012	#6
actually Dunnigan is a war game designer	azurnoir	Aug 2012	#9
He sounds like it...	shaayecanaan	Aug 2012	#10
yep it's kind of like one can imagine Bibi is sitting around	azurnoir	Aug 2012	#11
Maybe you could start a fundraising drive to bring Mubarak back...	shaayecanaan	Aug 2012	#7
Egypt is so much better off under the Brotherhood, isn't it?	shira	Aug 2012	#44
You opposed democracy in Egypt long before the brotherhood were elected...	shaayecanaan	Aug 2012	#46
You call that democracy, don't you? The Palestinians had democracy too...	shira	Aug 2012	#47
The Kahanists are already in power to some extent	shaayecanaan	Aug 2012	#64
Give it up, shira. Mubarak couldn't have been kept in power no matter what.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#12
So you're in favor of Brotherhood rule? Egypt is getting more hopelessly rightwing....	shira	Aug 2012	#45
It's not as if the only choices are being pro-MB or saying Mubarak should have been kept in power.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#49
Based on history . .	Bradlad	Aug 2012	#55
Look, what was the alternative in this situation?	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#57
One alternative is to not label the MB and the uprising as progressive,....	shira	Aug 2012	#61
I never labeled the MB as progressive...but the uprising wasn't run by the MB or synonymous with it.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#62
You drank the Kool-Aid and wrote that the MB in Egypt...	shira	Aug 2012	#63
I didn't call it progressive.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#65
So what should be done about the tyrant ruling Iran?	oberliner	Aug 2012	#48
The secular opposition types should be assisted(I don't know what they actually want outsiders to do	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#50
Thanks for the response	oberliner	Aug 2012	#56
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote there.	Ken Burch	Aug 2012	#58
This post was hidden by jury decision.	shira	Aug 2012	#60
Leave the Bedouin alone.	burnsei sensei	Aug 2012	#52

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