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shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
81. You don't seem to favour any facts at all...
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:35 PM
Aug 2012
PS - I just responded directly to your points. If you're not going to respond directly to the points I just made then don't bother.


Actually, you didn't. You just mouthed the same old clichés that you always do. For instance, you said that the occupation (including the settlements, presumably) was purely a defensive endeavour. I responded that the only conclusion to draw from that is that the settlements are de facto military outposts of the Israeli state and that the little kiddies running around Hebron throwing rocks at Arabs are Israel's front line defence.

The alternative, of course, is that the settlements are not defence installations but are simply an exercise in the theft of Palestinian land. Take your pick. Or not, as I expect you will simply go on mouthing clichés.

And I guess Israel would then send troops and settlers to occupy Jordan or Egypt that haven't attacked Israel since 1967 anyway.


If they did that they would get attacked. The Israelis only left the Sinai after Egypt gave them a scare in 1973. They only left South Lebanon after they got sick of the Hezb killing them. And they only left Gaza once Hamas started shelling the settlements with their rockets.

The fact is the Palestinians are the aggressors and have always had the power to stop the oppression simply by stopping the aggression.


Absolute nonsense. Just about every video posted on this board over the past year or so has consisted of Israeli settlers or soldiers beating up or shooting Arabs.

Saudi Arabia wants to "cozy up" to Israel? oberliner Aug 2012 #1
He's the "managing editor of Foreign Affairs", I wouldn't dismiss anything he says out of hand. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #2
Because that worked so well in Gaza. Fozzledick Aug 2012 #3
another one...geographically and historically challenged.. pelsar Aug 2012 #4
And if rockets rain down on the Israeli cities,no big deal. Swede Aug 2012 #5
ah but if rockets rain down from the WB sabbat hunter Aug 2012 #6
what good what that do us? pelsar Aug 2012 #7
8/1/2012 : Israeli tanks cross Gaza border after detecting missile azurnoir Aug 2012 #8
As long as you occupy them... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #9
I am sure Missycim Aug 2012 #10
as a matter of fact, i would be shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #19
So do you think Israel Missycim Aug 2012 #20
If they withdraw from the West Bank, yes shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #21
So for Israel to be allowed to defend Missycim Aug 2012 #22
so what then if you believe Israel so has to stay in the WB? azurnoir Aug 2012 #31
I dont think either situation Missycim Aug 2012 #32
Ah, the unshakeable certainty of faith... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #34
You don't see violence from Palestinians in the WB b/c you choose not to see it... shira Aug 2012 #86
Really, thats the best you can do? shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #88
Do many home invasions and intended robberies involve decapitating a three-month old baby? oberliner Aug 2012 #91
Probably not... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #95
I am under no delusions-IMO Israel has no intention of giving up one sq cm. of the West Bank azurnoir Aug 2012 #35
Arab Peace Initiative. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2012 #83
Not much of a peace initiative when it calls for 100% withdrawal from the WB and full... shira Aug 2012 #85
Some of the dictators who proposed that have been deposed oberliner Aug 2012 #94
I suppose some of us think that the Palestinians shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #33
what withdrawal?....up to where? pelsar Aug 2012 #23
You have a strangely myopic view. Bradlad Aug 2012 #11
So you're saying that the settlements are military defence installations? shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #14
You seem to favor some facts over others. Bradlad Aug 2012 #72
You don't seem to favour any facts at all... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #81
Absolutely Agreed. nt Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2012 #82
Of course it's a big deal, but the WB isn't Gaza. aranthus Aug 2012 #12
Please explain . . Bradlad Aug 2012 #13
Hamas was already in charge of Gaza... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #15
another version of raping history... pelsar Aug 2012 #16
I prefer to think of it as furthering your education... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #18
then try not to rape history..... pelsar Aug 2012 #24
Don't forget Dahlan: bemildred Aug 2012 #25
I said that they were in control... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #36
"...a western backed Fatah coup" shira Aug 2012 #37
We seem to have wandered some distance from my original point... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #38
you don't like timelines....nor the "locals" pelsar Aug 2012 #39
I don't know what that has to do with my question. Bradlad Aug 2012 #46
I will give it a shot. aranthus Aug 2012 #26
Not bad. bemildred Aug 2012 #27
wow...where have you been? pelsar Aug 2012 #41
If you think what you are doing now is risk-free, by all means continue. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #44
i was just bringing your post back to reality... pelsar Aug 2012 #48
Yap yap yap yap ... bemildred Aug 2012 #49
I'm glad you're willing to risk... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #42
It's not me that's risking Jewish lives. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #43
Do you think moving half-a-milllion Jews into the midst of a couple million hostile Arabs, bemildred Aug 2012 #45
I appreciate your attempt. Bradlad Aug 2012 #47
Thanks for your response. aranthus Aug 2012 #67
I first thought of . . Bradlad Aug 2012 #71
Again, I think you have misunderstood me. aranthus Aug 2012 #73
Excellent reply. Thanks Bradlad Aug 2012 #80
Aside from . . Bradlad Aug 2012 #84
but thats not true "every effort".... pelsar Aug 2012 #17
I'm only interested in what the great majority of Israelis think. aranthus Aug 2012 #28
Poll: 64% of Israelis back continued settlement activity azurnoir Aug 2012 #30
lol no Pelsar the time has passed to "destroy the settlements" azurnoir Aug 2012 #29
you misunderstood.... i was making fun of the "lefts" mantras pelsar Aug 2012 #40
no either you misunderstand or are trying to avoid azurnoir Aug 2012 #50
since when do i avoid anything here?.... pelsar Aug 2012 #52
you seem to miss the part about about movement azurnoir Aug 2012 #56
the'll put up their own roadblocks like hamas pelsar Aug 2012 #58
and what will state look like as far as area goes? azurnoir Aug 2012 #59
Hamasnikim are Palestenians.... pelsar Aug 2012 #60
well azurnoir Aug 2012 #64
Why do you write "G-d" ? oberliner Aug 2012 #69
habit why it doesn't seem right the other way(s) azurnoir Aug 2012 #70
hamas are a point not to be ignored... pelsar Aug 2012 #74
Azurnoir, are you saying Israel can't offer the Clinton Initiatives or Olmert's offer anymore? n/t shira Aug 2012 #54
has Israel shown any inclination to do this? azurnoir Aug 2012 #55
Please stop moving the goalposts. You keep claiming that with settlement expansion.... shira Aug 2012 #61
I take it the real anwer is NO Israel has shown no inclination to do this azurnoir Aug 2012 #63
"The Gaza Experiment"? Scootaloo Aug 2012 #77
I don't think that Israel's going to give up an acre of the West Bank. no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #51
israel wont be needing the water.... pelsar Aug 2012 #53
really now is it? which is cheaper desalination or simply pumping water? azurnoir Aug 2012 #57
cheaper than war..... pelsar Aug 2012 #62
again azurnoir Aug 2012 #65
and israel wants peace with its neighbors.... pelsar Aug 2012 #66
Israel wants quite a few things azurnoir Aug 2012 #68
a simple technical explanation.... pelsar Aug 2012 #75
lol except that these fabled desalination plants do not yet quite exist do they? azurnoir Aug 2012 #78
two are working and more are in the plans.... pelsar Aug 2012 #79
Desalination and the Israel-Palestine issue azurnoir Aug 2012 #87
why do you do that?...some kind of point system? pelsar Aug 2012 #89
oops is correct lol azurnoir Aug 2012 #90
well? pelsar Aug 2012 #92
omg already explained several posts back azurnoir Aug 2012 #93
try again.... pelsar Aug 2012 #96
what 'withdrawal' and from where? azurnoir Aug 2012 #97
the whole gaza experience.... pelsar Aug 2012 #98
seriously back 7 years really? azurnoir Aug 2012 #99
They should stop the illegal settlements and they need to get back to the negotiating table now /n still_one Aug 2012 #76
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