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Response to azurnoir (Reply #64)

Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:41 AM

74. hamas are a point not to be ignored...

i use hamas as an important point of where part of the Palestinian culture/history/governing style has gone. Personally i believe they are a very dangerous movement as i believe all religious movements are. The difference between hamas/MB/revoultionary guards vs the settlers is that they have actually taken the power and control governments.

The PA gets a mention as a non democratic movement as well, also not really supported by the Palestinians as far as I know.

my impression of the Progressive view here of "first nationalism, then civil rights" is one very dangerous viewpoint. The hamas take over seems to get an:

"aw shucks" attitude, thats not we had hoped for, but its ok, since its just means one step closer to a progressive liberal democracy since it was the Palestesnians that chose hamas"

well, i would like to say words fail me, but they don't. Hamas taking over is not "one step closer to democracy, its a step backward and toward continued violence both internal and out. God and friends, unlike democracy do not "evolve in to liberal democracies, they are against them and all of their values. But that point i have learned is not part of the "Progressive belief." The ironic part is just how similar the progressives/ hamas, etc are, in their beliefs where every change in the govt is just another step towards their own version of the govt of "nirvana."
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now back to your beliefs:....

However some believe they are on a mission from G-d to restore the biblical kingdom of Judea and they're armed, well armed by IDF and I see them as a problem either way

same beliefs were held in gaza and they too were showed to be wrong, not that, that even phases a true believer but for others who, when reminded of the same might recall that the violence by the armed settlers" was minimalized to one settlement, and even that was limited to one building, despite the very same beliefs that it would not go easy....(and a single soldier publicly refused to participate)

oops.....
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kind of like europe, once home to some of the largest killing fields known to man
Hmmm just what vision or equation were you trying to invoke with that?


i really have to spell it out?

WWI, WWII and the wars previous to that vs what it is now. No reason why one day the that cannot be here as well, and that mean no IDF soldiers......
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as far as the egyptian/gaza border, the question was if you still considered that israel might attack egypt if they dont keep the border closed.....you were pretty clear about that in your opinion, not to mention that israel might tell the US congress to cut off the funds-still believe those two?

and you still, today believe that when egypt opens and closes its border to hamas, no longer issuing visas, they are first "consulting" israel?
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you simply an Israeli who wants to see your country 'grow' by any means necessary?
the answer is no.

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