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bemildred

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Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:37 PM Aug 2012

Why Israel Should Withdraw From the West Bank—Now [View all]

These generally feel like good times in Israel. The existential dangers facing the country often seem to have subsided, with sanctions starting to bite Iran and most Israelis, secure behind their wall, able to ignore the Palestinians. Recent protests in Tel Aviv have focused on social security, not the physical kind.

Yet the dangers posed by Iran and by Israel's occupation of the West Bank have never been greater. Take Iran: while the chances of conflict may seem to have diminished recently, there's reason to believe that the chances of an Israeli strike are actually as high as ever. Jerusalem knows that Washington opposes an Israeli attack on Iran's suspected nuclear program -- so the best time to launch one would be now, before the U.S. election, when both parties are still desperately courting the pro-Israel vote. A number of experts think an Israeli strike wouldn't actually keep Tehran from building a bomb, at least not for very long. But Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak say they disagree.

Then there's the occupation, now in its 45th year. The peace process is dead, or at least in a coma, and the Obama administration has dropped it, at least for now. Yet the costs for Israel keep climbing. The Jewish state has never been more isolated; Turkey has grown distant and with the Arab Spring, Jerusalem may have lost its cold but important ally in Cairo. Inside the territories, Palestinians are growing less supportive of the peaceful president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, whose administration is struggling with corruption and whose cooperation with Israel has earned him little in return.

These two problems -- Iran and the occupation -- can often seem like crises with no solutions. But there is one move Israel could take that could immediately improve its security, rebuild its moral standing, defuse tensions with the Palestinians, and deeply rattle Iran: start to dismantle the occupation of the West Bank. Ideally, Israel would do so as part of a negotiated peace, but it could also move unilaterally, if necessary.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/why-israel-should-withdraw-from-the-west-bank-now/260604/

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Saudi Arabia wants to "cozy up" to Israel? oberliner Aug 2012 #1
He's the "managing editor of Foreign Affairs", I wouldn't dismiss anything he says out of hand. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #2
Because that worked so well in Gaza. Fozzledick Aug 2012 #3
another one...geographically and historically challenged.. pelsar Aug 2012 #4
And if rockets rain down on the Israeli cities,no big deal. Swede Aug 2012 #5
ah but if rockets rain down from the WB sabbat hunter Aug 2012 #6
what good what that do us? pelsar Aug 2012 #7
8/1/2012 : Israeli tanks cross Gaza border after detecting missile azurnoir Aug 2012 #8
As long as you occupy them... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #9
I am sure Missycim Aug 2012 #10
as a matter of fact, i would be shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #19
So do you think Israel Missycim Aug 2012 #20
If they withdraw from the West Bank, yes shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #21
So for Israel to be allowed to defend Missycim Aug 2012 #22
so what then if you believe Israel so has to stay in the WB? azurnoir Aug 2012 #31
I dont think either situation Missycim Aug 2012 #32
Ah, the unshakeable certainty of faith... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #34
You don't see violence from Palestinians in the WB b/c you choose not to see it... shira Aug 2012 #86
Really, thats the best you can do? shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #88
Do many home invasions and intended robberies involve decapitating a three-month old baby? oberliner Aug 2012 #91
Probably not... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #95
I am under no delusions-IMO Israel has no intention of giving up one sq cm. of the West Bank azurnoir Aug 2012 #35
Arab Peace Initiative. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2012 #83
Not much of a peace initiative when it calls for 100% withdrawal from the WB and full... shira Aug 2012 #85
Some of the dictators who proposed that have been deposed oberliner Aug 2012 #94
I suppose some of us think that the Palestinians shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #33
what withdrawal?....up to where? pelsar Aug 2012 #23
You have a strangely myopic view. Bradlad Aug 2012 #11
So you're saying that the settlements are military defence installations? shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #14
You seem to favor some facts over others. Bradlad Aug 2012 #72
You don't seem to favour any facts at all... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #81
Absolutely Agreed. nt Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2012 #82
Of course it's a big deal, but the WB isn't Gaza. aranthus Aug 2012 #12
Please explain . . Bradlad Aug 2012 #13
Hamas was already in charge of Gaza... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #15
another version of raping history... pelsar Aug 2012 #16
I prefer to think of it as furthering your education... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #18
then try not to rape history..... pelsar Aug 2012 #24
Don't forget Dahlan: bemildred Aug 2012 #25
I said that they were in control... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #36
"...a western backed Fatah coup" shira Aug 2012 #37
We seem to have wandered some distance from my original point... shaayecanaan Aug 2012 #38
you don't like timelines....nor the "locals" pelsar Aug 2012 #39
I don't know what that has to do with my question. Bradlad Aug 2012 #46
I will give it a shot. aranthus Aug 2012 #26
Not bad. bemildred Aug 2012 #27
wow...where have you been? pelsar Aug 2012 #41
If you think what you are doing now is risk-free, by all means continue. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #44
i was just bringing your post back to reality... pelsar Aug 2012 #48
Yap yap yap yap ... bemildred Aug 2012 #49
I'm glad you're willing to risk... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #42
It's not me that's risking Jewish lives. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #43
Do you think moving half-a-milllion Jews into the midst of a couple million hostile Arabs, bemildred Aug 2012 #45
I appreciate your attempt. Bradlad Aug 2012 #47
Thanks for your response. aranthus Aug 2012 #67
I first thought of . . Bradlad Aug 2012 #71
Again, I think you have misunderstood me. aranthus Aug 2012 #73
Excellent reply. Thanks Bradlad Aug 2012 #80
Aside from . . Bradlad Aug 2012 #84
but thats not true "every effort".... pelsar Aug 2012 #17
I'm only interested in what the great majority of Israelis think. aranthus Aug 2012 #28
Poll: 64% of Israelis back continued settlement activity azurnoir Aug 2012 #30
lol no Pelsar the time has passed to "destroy the settlements" azurnoir Aug 2012 #29
you misunderstood.... i was making fun of the "lefts" mantras pelsar Aug 2012 #40
no either you misunderstand or are trying to avoid azurnoir Aug 2012 #50
since when do i avoid anything here?.... pelsar Aug 2012 #52
you seem to miss the part about about movement azurnoir Aug 2012 #56
the'll put up their own roadblocks like hamas pelsar Aug 2012 #58
and what will state look like as far as area goes? azurnoir Aug 2012 #59
Hamasnikim are Palestenians.... pelsar Aug 2012 #60
well azurnoir Aug 2012 #64
Why do you write "G-d" ? oberliner Aug 2012 #69
habit why it doesn't seem right the other way(s) azurnoir Aug 2012 #70
hamas are a point not to be ignored... pelsar Aug 2012 #74
Azurnoir, are you saying Israel can't offer the Clinton Initiatives or Olmert's offer anymore? n/t shira Aug 2012 #54
has Israel shown any inclination to do this? azurnoir Aug 2012 #55
Please stop moving the goalposts. You keep claiming that with settlement expansion.... shira Aug 2012 #61
I take it the real anwer is NO Israel has shown no inclination to do this azurnoir Aug 2012 #63
"The Gaza Experiment"? Scootaloo Aug 2012 #77
I don't think that Israel's going to give up an acre of the West Bank. no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #51
israel wont be needing the water.... pelsar Aug 2012 #53
really now is it? which is cheaper desalination or simply pumping water? azurnoir Aug 2012 #57
cheaper than war..... pelsar Aug 2012 #62
again azurnoir Aug 2012 #65
and israel wants peace with its neighbors.... pelsar Aug 2012 #66
Israel wants quite a few things azurnoir Aug 2012 #68
a simple technical explanation.... pelsar Aug 2012 #75
lol except that these fabled desalination plants do not yet quite exist do they? azurnoir Aug 2012 #78
two are working and more are in the plans.... pelsar Aug 2012 #79
Desalination and the Israel-Palestine issue azurnoir Aug 2012 #87
why do you do that?...some kind of point system? pelsar Aug 2012 #89
oops is correct lol azurnoir Aug 2012 #90
well? pelsar Aug 2012 #92
omg already explained several posts back azurnoir Aug 2012 #93
try again.... pelsar Aug 2012 #96
what 'withdrawal' and from where? azurnoir Aug 2012 #97
the whole gaza experience.... pelsar Aug 2012 #98
seriously back 7 years really? azurnoir Aug 2012 #99
They should stop the illegal settlements and they need to get back to the negotiating table now /n still_one Aug 2012 #76
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