Israel/Palestine

shira

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26. Again, 4GC Article 6 makes it clear Israel doesn't meet the description of an occupying power...

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:45 PM

Jul 2012

Especially WRT Gaza. That shouldn't even be controversial, but it appears you're too proud to admit it.

Turkey does meet the 4GCA6 description. And while you're right about Turkish-Cypriots declaring UDI, no one besides Turkey acknowledges those puppets of the Turkish regime being the legitimate government there.

Gaza proves w/o question that the basis for Israel's so-called occupation is purely political. If ruling bodies lie about Gaza, how good is their word WRT anything else?

A textbook example of how ridiculous politically biased rulings are is Amnesty International's view that Israel still occupies Gaza. Amnesty maintains that Israel still occupies Gaza. But how stupid could Amnesty be, you might ask? This one's real good. They clearly contradict themselves on the website with the following...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=362665&mesg_id=362783

That's straight from the Amnesty website, and there's simply no way Israel meets Amnesty's very own criteria for IDF occupation of Gaza. Read the last paragraph in that quote off Amnesty's website. Does Israel exercise final control over the acts of the local authorities in Gaza? Hell no, that's ridiculous and I know you know it. So what good is any other political ruling? They're worthless, and that's why double-standards exist; proving Dore Gold's point quite well.

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The Levy Report and the ‘Occupation’ Narrative [View all] shira Jul 2012 OP

WRT the international community comparing Israel's "occupation" with other nations.... shira Jul 2012 #1

You must be getting desperate for comparisons! kayecy Jul 2012 #2

Since Oslo, Turkey has far more effective control of Cyprus than Israel does of Gaza or the WB... shira Jul 2012 #3

You agree Israel is the occupying power in Area C (62%)...... kayecy Jul 2012 #4

Sorry, but it's complete nonsense when you believe Gaza is still occupied... shira Jul 2012 #5

so you disagree with the UNSC interesting indeed n/t azurnoir Jul 2012 #6

I believe in one standard for all. Got a problem with that? n/t shira Jul 2012 #7

well seeing as how apparently azurnoir Jul 2012 #8

When the UN says that what NATO does in Libya is not occupation, and it's more invasive than Gaza... shira Jul 2012 #9

Still waiting for your apples & oranges comparison...... kayecy Jul 2012 #10

See #5. It's still a joke when you claim Gaza is occupied. There's no IDF presence there... shira Jul 2012 #12

The article you posted had nothing to do with Gaza.... kayecy Jul 2012 #21

Based on your response, it's obvious you can't defend the argument that Gaza is occupied... shira Jul 2012 #23

Thank you for at last getting round to explaining ....... kayecy Jul 2012 #24

Again, 4GC Article 6 makes it clear Israel doesn't meet the description of an occupying power... shira Jul 2012 #26

No...you believe in annexing the West Bank and telling the Palestinians Ken Burch Jul 2012 #14

Really? That's what I believe? Where'd you get that from? Now as to Hamas/occupation... shira Jul 2012 #17

The IDF isn't on the soil of Gaza Ken Burch Jul 2012 #27

Why do you repeat the same old, tired, refuted arguments? You make them, your arguments.... shira Jul 2012 #49

I actually think you really do believe King_David Jul 2012 #25

No, I don't claim to read minds Ken Burch Jul 2012 #28

Ken, prove what you are accusing me of. Or admit you're wrong. n/t shira Jul 2012 #33

You have repeatedly revived the "Jordan is Palestine" canard. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #40

So you think I'm for greater Israel, some form of apartheid, ethnic cleansing...or what? n/t shira Jul 2012 #46

At best, you're for reducing Palestinians to something like a Luxemburg-like statelet Ken Burch Jul 2012 #53

Really? After I've repeatedly said I'd accept the Clinton Initiatives and Olmert's offer... shira Jul 2012 #57

Links to prove your nasty claims? King_David Jul 2012 #59

It's not nasty. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #62

I am sure if it is not a fabrication, King_David Jul 2012 #65

This was a couple of months ago. I'll find it. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #67

No link huh ? King_David Jul 2012 #68

I just posted the link. Didn't you read it? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #70

Ken, be honest. Where did I back Eldad's proposal? Or anything remotely rightwing? shira Jul 2012 #78

You were talking about how it would be the ultimate "happy ending" Ken Burch Jul 2012 #79

Then summarize, please. I was very clear. Show me where my view = Eldad's. n/t shira Jul 2012 #82

you get really close to it in posts 25, 33, 43, 75 in the linked thread(among others) Ken Burch Jul 2012 #89

You've gotta be kidding. Well, this proves you only battle make-believe straw man arguments... shira Jul 2012 #96

Here's the link: Ken Burch Jul 2012 #69

"Nasty"......That is a very insulting heading.......... kayecy Jul 2012 #71

Almost as nasty as some posts King_David Jul 2012 #72

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #73

Just looked at one of your links, King_David Jul 2012 #74

None of those links match the order of the names you posted, which matched Rense... shira Jul 2012 #75

Just check out the site linked to ,it is even worse, King_David Jul 2012 #77

You call that proof enough to justify a NASTY libel? kayecy Jul 2012 #83

I did reply, King_David Jul 2012 #84

And things like THAT shouldn't be posted. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #86

Muddled post King_David Jul 2012 #52

If you feel that way, put me on ignore. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #54

What a Joke King_David Jul 2012 #58

If you think I'm a joke, put me on ignore Ken Burch Jul 2012 #63

Prove it, Link it up,this should be good. King_David Jul 2012 #60

Put you on ignore?! holdencaufield Jul 2012 #61

+ 1 King_David Jul 2012 #66

You don't believe any such thing. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #16

Double standards means more is expected from Israel than any other nation on earth... shira Jul 2012 #18

Nobody has denied that Turkey occupies Cyprus. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #31

When the EU accepted Cyprus, "occupation" was never mentioned. n/t shira Jul 2012 #47

I'm fairly sure, though, that they only accepted the Greek part of Cyprus. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #87

N.Cyprus is not an occupation to the EU, but Gaza somehow is... shira Jul 2012 #97

If another country controls your airspace and water supply, you are NOT sovereign. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #15

That's not an occupation, however. Cyprus is occupied. Gaza is not. n/t shira Jul 2012 #19

Nobody has denied that Cyprus is occupied Ken Burch Jul 2012 #29

The point of the OP is to show how Israel does not legally occupy Palestinian territory. shira Jul 2012 #34

Why are you obsessed with that one point? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #44

Why do you think Israel's accusers insist Gaza is occupied? What's their goal? n/t shira Jul 2012 #45

It's "critics of the Israeli government", not "Israel's accusers". Ken Burch Jul 2012 #88

Here's what I don't get Ken. Bradlad Jul 2012 #90

You're not making the distinctions that are needed Ken Burch Jul 2012 #91

You are the one who is avoiding . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #100

+1 holdencaufield Jul 2012 #101

After sleeping on this . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #105

Egypt is also responsible then for this faux-occupation (blockade) of Gaza.... shira Jul 2012 #98

Nobody has ever denied that Cyprus is occupied Ken Burch Jul 2012 #32

The difference b/w occupation and siege is trivial? Do you even know the difference? n/t shira Jul 2012 #35

It's occupation when another country's troops are on your soil Ken Burch Jul 2012 #38

It is? So the USA is occupying over 25 other nations right now since US troops are deployed.... shira Jul 2012 #39

Israel would have nothing to lose from allowing direct commercial airline service to Gaza. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #41

Which of course Hamas would never use for military purposes. Get real, Ken. n/t shira Jul 2012 #48

Satire is dead... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #11

Occupation denial? really? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #13

You're consistent, Ken. Another straw man... shira Jul 2012 #20

You reference does not show that Israel has ended its occupation of Gaza..... kayecy Jul 2012 #22

If Gaza is occupied then Israel is obligated to govern there, carry out all law and order there... shira Jul 2012 #36

If your army is on another country's soil, without invitation, for all practical purposes Ken Burch Jul 2012 #30

ROTFLOL! Statement of the day... shira Jul 2012 #37

In a lot of ways, the U.S. has limited political choices in the countries where it's put troops Ken Burch Jul 2012 #42

You were wrong about troops on another nation's soil. You realized it and edited your post.... shira Jul 2012 #50

I clarified my post Ken Burch Jul 2012 #64

on that soil without invitation. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #43

You're wrong about that too. NATO intervened in Libya and the UN was careful... shira Jul 2012 #51

I'm not responsible for NATO's terminology. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #55

No, the UN made it clear that it wasn't an occupation. However, the UN maintains Gaza... shira Jul 2012 #56

What terminology would you use then? Scootaloo Jul 2012 #76

Blockade. n/t shira Jul 2012 #80

A blockade that will be lifted...? Scootaloo Jul 2012 #85

When the government of Gaza stops making war on Israel. Not a moment sooner. n/t shira Jul 2012 #93

And what is the determining factor in "stops making war" Scootaloo Jul 2012 #102

Is that not self-explanatory? NT holdencaufield Jul 2012 #103

Try me. Scootaloo Jul 2012 #104

It's not like that would be LESS unacceptable. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #92

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Apartheid. eom Purveyor Jul 2012 #81

Gaza? A blockade is now an act of apartheid? Okayyyyy. n/t shira Jul 2012 #95

You keep using that word... holdencaufield Jul 2012 #99