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Bradlad

(206 posts)
34. Rather than . .
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jul 2012

Thanks for the simple-minded graphic from an obviously anti-Israel website (Visualizing Occupation) published / created by a single individual who has no need to worry about his reputation if called out for being untruthful.

If you're interested, here's a far more comprehensive discussion of the topic. This one has numerous links to the references used and other scholarly papers on the topic so that you can actually check for accuracy yourself

The article: http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=ewJXKcOUJlIaG&b=7712197&ct=11634347¬oc=1

Another good link: http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/MSPS94.pdf

Here are some highlights if you don't want to read the articles:

Inefficiencies and violations in the Palestinian water network

As of 2012, Israel has approved the drilling of 71 wells for drinking and agricultural uses, as well as 22 observation wells. But the Palestinian Water Authority has yet to drill about half of them.

All water wells have to be approved by the Israeli-Palestinian Joint Water Committee (JWC). However, Palestinians have dug over 250 wells in violation of the 1995 agreement. The PA has supported such violations by connecting the unapproved wells to the electricity network.

The Palestinians illegally siphon water from the Israeli water provider, Mekorot, which supplies both Israelis and Palestinians. For this reason, there are water shortages in Hebron, Bani Naim, Beita and other Palestinian villages and communities. The Palestinians have not developed the Eastern Aquifer despite the fact that the JWC has approved every request to drill wells in it.

Palestinian failure to build sewage facilities and ensuing problems

The Water Works Committee of the JWC approved laying hundreds of kilometers of water pipes throughout the West Bank and the construction of dozens of storage reservoirs and pumping stations.[19]

The Palestinians have failed to construct sewage treatment facilities as required of them in the Interim Agreement due to mismanagement, poor maintenance, hydrological errors and engineering mistakes. This has led to polluted water supplies and environmental degradation. For example, the Hebron stream, which flows toward the Be’er Sheva Valley, has now become polluted and nearby Palestinian and Israeli communities suffer from polluted water, bad odors, flies and mosquitoes. The Nablus stream which flows westward is also now polluted. The westward flow of this stream pollutes water inside Israel.

Many other streams have effectively become wastewater channels for Palestinian towns and cities and the untreated water subsequently pollutes the Mountain Aquifer which then affects water drawn from wells. This has led to the contamination and closure of a number of wells in the Bethlehem district, the Jerusalem district and some in the Jordan Valley as well.

Of all the wastewater that emanates from the West Bank, about 27 percent comes from the Israeli population and 73 percent from the Palestinian population.

Israel’s use of treated wastewater, its desalination activities, measures to reduce water losses in the water system and other water-saving procedures add 800 MCM per year to its water supply, amounting to 33 percent of Israel’s total water usage.

According to a report by the European Commission, Israel uses more treated wastewater effluents (on a percentage basis) per capita for agricultural irrigation and wastewater than any other country in the world. Israel is also second in overall wastewater reuse after California.

It's always about the money, isn't it? bemildred Jun 2012 #1
gaza? pelsar Jun 2012 #2
so Israel has security reasons for it's hold on the Jordan river valley? azurnoir Jun 2012 #3
this is very simple....but its foundation may be difficult...its not based on nationalism pelsar Jun 2012 #4
Right, but you are assuming they will be incompetent and hostile. bemildred Jun 2012 #5
The fact that nobody pays attention to South Africa now is really sad oberliner Jun 2012 #6
I assume the South Africans are happy to not be in the global spotlight. bemildred Jun 2012 #7
The fear is that once there's an unstable Palestinian state in place, war will be imminent... shira Jun 2012 #9
I know what the fear is, but fear makes you stupid too. bemildred Jun 2012 #11
Rational fear based on history and facts is not stupidity. Stupidity is not learning from... shira Jun 2012 #13
You assume your conclusion, as usual, i.e. that fear is rational. bemildred Jun 2012 #15
Fine, don't look at it as fear then. Look at it as a rational educated opinion/position... shira Jun 2012 #18
I look on fear as fear. bemildred Jun 2012 #20
Stuiped is not having a plan B pelsar Jul 2012 #27
are you suggesting Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #30
No. bemildred Jul 2012 #32
What do you make of people who are irrationally fearless or in denial of danger? n/t shira Jul 2012 #76
Not much. bemildred Jul 2012 #77
Look ma - no hands. Bradlad Jun 2012 #8
Right, so you just assume that is a permanent condition? bemildred Jun 2012 #10
No, I think you and many progressives & right-wingers think that's permanent... shira Jun 2012 #12
You are sooo fond of sweeping generalities. bemildred Jun 2012 #16
So correct me if I'm wrong, but your position is Palestinian nationality first, then civil rights... shira Jun 2012 #19
I'm correcting, you are wrong. bemildred Jun 2012 #21
The Palestinians require more control of their own affairs....okay. Then would you say in Gaza... shira Jun 2012 #22
No. bemildred Jun 2012 #23
It's Gaza's choice to be under blockade, at war, to have a poor economy, to be weak... shira Jun 2012 #24
Yeah, it's really simple, isn't it? bemildred Jun 2012 #25
if you take the viewpoint that the gazans are capable people than yes.... pelsar Jul 2012 #28
So.... Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #29
Justifiable question. Bradlad Jun 2012 #14
And what is this entity that "wants" things? bemildred Jun 2012 #17
the assumption is that, being incompetent and hostile is a real possibility.... pelsar Jul 2012 #26
Incompetent and hostile is the current situation, no need to speculate. bemildred Jul 2012 #33
precisely...which is why its time for a change...a real change, not more of the same pelsar Jul 2012 #35
Oh my. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #41
The current policies are not working? Bradlad Jul 2012 #36
"something less than ideal". bemildred Jul 2012 #39
What? Bradlad Jul 2012 #44
You seem to think the current policies are "working", eh? bemildred Jul 2012 #46
I guess you need to . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #48
Ha ha! I knew it. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #49
Well, I suppose I should be forthcoming ... bemildred Jul 2012 #51
I agree Bradlad Jul 2012 #55
israeli internal conflicts is defining "not working"....sheesh pelsar Jul 2012 #57
Everybody has internal conflicts, I'm talking about trends. bemildred Jul 2012 #58
what trends? pelsar Jul 2012 #60
Here, this kind of thing: bemildred Jul 2012 #59
graphic showing water distribution West Bank azurnoir Jul 2012 #31
Rather than . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #34
you r cute little links leave out one thing per Oslo all water projects must be intitiated azurnoir Jul 2012 #37
What's your point? Bradlad Jul 2012 #38
perhaps you should reread my comment then azurnoir Jul 2012 #40
So then . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #42
so you admit the graphic is true? but then attempt to justify it? azurnoir Jul 2012 #43
What you've said . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #45
Israel is using the terms of the agreement to stymie Palestinian water development azurnoir Jul 2012 #47
Than you (or someone) should take them to court. Bradlad Jul 2012 #50
Thank you for admitting that Israel uses the agreement to stop Palestinian development azurnoir Jul 2012 #52
A good example . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #53
the facts of the case speak for themselves don't they? azurnoir Jul 2012 #54
not really. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #56
well Israel does adhere to the parts of Oslo that it wants too azurnoir Jul 2012 #61
You think really? Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #62
lol ya Israel left Lebanon alright and then used azurnoir Jul 2012 #63
actually its more.... pelsar Jul 2012 #66
well its nice to see how many thousands of Arab children you think one Jewish child is worth azurnoir Jul 2012 #69
its more personal.... my kids pelsar Jul 2012 #70
well as anyone reading this thread can tell there is certainly a group think mentality going on azurnoir Jul 2012 #73
does being show to be wrong..affect anything? pelsar Jul 2012 #64
there is a difference between what your article shows to be Israel and what you azurnoir Jul 2012 #65
not according to the graphic... pelsar Jul 2012 #67
Here is the graphic once again it is explicitly about the West Bank azurnoir Jul 2012 #68
so your against water management.......and adhering to agreements.... pelsar Jul 2012 #71
well I do understand why as a loyal Israeli why you'd azurnoir Jul 2012 #72
guess you missed the question... pelsar Jul 2012 #74
no I did not miss your 'question' but the fallback position of"but, but, but it's legal" azurnoir Jul 2012 #75
you just don't like the result....but thats why there are agreements pelsar Jul 2012 #78
Israel has very good water managment for Israeli's and only for Israel's azurnoir Jul 2012 #79
must remember..the ends justifies the means pelsar Jul 2012 #80
Tens of thousands of Palestinians suffer from water supply disruptions in East Jerusalem azurnoir Jul 2012 #81
very good.... pelsar Jul 2012 #82
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