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In the discussion thread: US Senate dramatically scales down definition of Palestinian ‘refugees’ [View all]

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Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:25 PM

shira (18,062 posts)

40. I do. Their descendants are not going to Israel, so why waste anymore time pretending...

...they will, while watching them rot away in camps under apartheid conditions in Lebanon and other nations?

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112 replies	Author	Time	Post
US Senate dramatically scales down definition of Palestinian ‘refugees’ [View all]	Mosby	May 2012	OP
More:	Scurrilous	May 2012	#1
It's about time.	aranthus	May 2012	#2
I believe it has also applied to Tibetians and more recently Hmong	azurnoir	May 2012	#3
Do you have a cite for this?	aranthus	May 2012	#14
no it would show that it's about people that are refugees for generations	azurnoir	May 2012	#15
I looked and can't find anything about the Hmong	Mosby	May 2012	#16
"perma-status" as refugees? no it's about the length of time and in the case of Palestinians	azurnoir	May 2012	#17
Except that by the standard applied to everyone else	aranthus	May 2012	#19
I pointed out that less than half of all Palestinians are classified as refugees	azurnoir	May 2012	#20
I'm talking about the difference between your claim of 4.5 million refugees	aranthus	May 2012	#24
IMO the 'true' number of refugees are those born without a state	azurnoir	May 2012	#25
Why should the Palestinians be treated differently than other groups?	aranthus	Jun 2012	#33
perhaps you also remember that Israel continues to violate UN Res 194 of 1948	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#35
No it doesn't.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#38
it also doesn't mention descendants of refugees. n/t	shira	Jun 2012	#39
True.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#42
haven't you used 194 in the past to justify the Israeli Jews only RoR?	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#47
Nope. All I remember saying about it is that it applies to refugees in general...	shira	Jun 2012	#49
well that's justification right there and even if from the ME they were most likely	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#50
No it's not justification for the Law of Return	aranthus	Jun 2012	#53
well it is hard to continue as you were not the person I was addressing in the first place	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#57
194 doesn't necessarily apply to Arab refugees. There were Jewish refugees from Judea/Samaria....	shira	Jun 2012	#61
people often claim that the Jewish settlements in the WB are the major barrier to a 2 state solution	Mosby	May 2012	#21
natural growth? 175% settler population increase in 16 years is 'natural'?	azurnoir	May 2012	#23
All refugees would be forced to go into Israel by Arab regimes....	shira	Jun 2012	#62
so you are claiming that even with the existence of a Palestinian state the Arab "regimes"	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#67
Yes, even with a Palestinian state the refugees would be expected to go to Israel....	shira	Jun 2012	#70
well I am grateful for your 2 links to one of your old threads	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#74
Do you believe now that Abbas desires a 2 state solution....	shira	Jun 2012	#81
so it's Palestinian oil that is driving Obama I see to support Abbas I see	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#84
Not Palestinian oil. Remember there's still an Arab/Israel conflict going on...	shira	Jun 2012	#92
The Arab Peace initiative also called for normalization of relations between all signatory Arab	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#96
It calls for Israel withdrawing behind 1967 lines completely before Arab regimes...	shira	Jun 2012	#102
the very next day amr moussa went on arabic tv	Mosby	Jun 2012	#108
But it is about the war against the Jewish state.	aranthus	May 2012	#18
apparently the US State department disagrees with you see comment #13	azurnoir	May 2012	#27
And the State Department's opinion is only as good as its reasoning.	aranthus	May 2012	#28
you seem to use Jews in place of Israel quite freely	azurnoir	May 2012	#29
How does it clarify things for you?	aranthus	Jun 2012	#31
I t shows your mindset here and your spin on this quite ridiculous	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#36
Deir Yassin happend first? Before what?	aranthus	Jun 2012	#37
your right on 12/14/47 an army convoy was attacked 0 were killed in retaliation 5 Palestian children	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#48
Seriously? You've totally misused and misread the source.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#51
upset that I pointed out the facts are you?	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#58
I'm upset at your intellectual dishonesty, which I've already explained. n/t	aranthus	Jun 2012	#87
Dishonest that on December 18 1947 Jewish forces killed 5 Palestinian Arab children	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#88
Dude...	Shaktimaan	Jun 2012	#111
excuse me...	Shaktimaan	Jun 2012	#110
Israel lobby’s favorite senator tries to erase Palestinian refugee status for millions	Scurrilous	May 2012	#4
This is by Alex Kane writing for Mondoweiss	oberliner	May 2012	#6
Why should Palestinian refugees be treated differently from all other groups before or since?	aranthus	Jun 2012	#32
If the UN doesn't think it's evil that descendants of refugees remain perpetual victims...	shira	Jun 2012	#63
I ddin't think of that.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#86
Well this is what I think of when I'm constantly told Israel is bad...	shira	Jun 2012	#94
Good. nt	hack89	May 2012	#5
Daniel Pipes says he and Steve Rosen drove Senate re ‘so-called’ Palestinian refugees	Scurrilous	May 2012	#7
No he doesn't - this is another Mondoweiss lie from Mr. Mondoweiss himself	oberliner	May 2012	#10
But that doesn't fit....	holdencaufield	May 2012	#11
Actually -- the Americans might have hit upon a solution	holdencaufield	May 2012	#8
Just think of the PR victory it would be for Israel	azurnoir	May 2012	#9
Did you actually read it?	oberliner	May 2012	#12
Did you actually read the comment I replied to-apparently not as your comment	azurnoir	May 2012	#22
Read it again, carefully	oberliner	May 2012	#30
so do you believe in scaling back the number of Palestinian refugees	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#34
I do. Their descendants are not going to Israel, so why waste anymore time pretending...	shira	Jun 2012	#40
thanks for your input here n/t	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#44
What good does it do leaving refugees and their kids in camps to rot...	shira	Jun 2012	#64
I support the two state solution	oberliner	Jun 2012	#43
yes similar to the 'compromise' reached for those who's	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#45
Bizarre post	oberliner	Jun 2012	#55
explain exactly what is so bizarre about my post?	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#59
A lot of "greats"	oberliner	Jun 2012	#73
U.S. State Department Affirms Support for 5 Million ‘Palestinian Refugees’	Scurrilous	May 2012	#13
Thanks for posting that it seems the attrition method of solving the Palestinian refugee	azurnoir	May 2012	#26
So you're in favor of descendants rotting away in camps, who will never...	shira	Jun 2012	#41
No I am in favor of a Palestinian state and RoR	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#46
One can not be in favor of a the RoR and honestly claim to want peace.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#52
You can...	holdencaufield	Jun 2012	#54
wouldn't advocating for the destruction of Israel be antisemtic? yes or no? n/t	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#60
Since you're in favor of RoR, you're against Israel's continued existence.	shira	Jun 2012	#65
I adovcate for RoR along with a Palestinian state but sadly it seems you along with a couple of	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#69
You're only assuming some refugees would want to go to Israel....	shira	Jun 2012	#72
an d you seem to assume they all would go to Israel, why? n/t	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#76
They have no choice. It's why they're still refugees 64 years later.	shira	Jun 2012	#78
so even with a Palestinianstate they would be forced to go to Israel? and Obama would support this?	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#80
Can you first admit the plan back in 1948 was for refugees to be used as political pawns...	shira	Jun 2012	#82
if it was then you are claiming that that the UN and the 'Arabs" have some crystal ball that foresaw	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#83
Then, but not now?	shira	Jun 2012	#91
You seem not to believe as Obama does that this can be solved with diplomacy (negotiations) ?	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#97
No, it can't be resolved diplomatically. That's been proven, since before the 1947...	shira	Jun 2012	#103
Barak gave no indication of exactly what he was talking about	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#105
Yeah, right. He was most likely referring to this...	shira	Jun 2012	#107
IMO that would be a rather extremist PoV and I'm being polite	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#56
Define the version of RoR you support. All, most, some, or just a few refugees...? n/t	shira	Jun 2012	#66
The same RoR Israel has granted it's now majority population along with a Palestinian state	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#68
So that means full RoR, correct? Similar to Israel's law of return where anyone Jewish...	shira	Jun 2012	#71
As long as there is also a Palestinian state of course Israel would retain the right	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#75
But they're not welcome in a Palestinian state. You know that.	shira	Jun 2012	#79
so Palestinian will not be welcome in a Palestinian state I see how interesting indeed and once agai	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#85
You read it for yourself. Why deny it?	shira	Jun 2012	#93
But the POTUS does support Abbas and a Palestinian state that you claim Palestinians will not be	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#95
So did Bush and Clinton, so?	shira	Jun 2012	#101
No. It's the only honest view.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#90
Does Israel reserve the right to refuse Jews RoR because of criminal history or security risk? n/t	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#98
How is that even relevant?	aranthus	Jun 2012	#99
please answer the question yes or no then I will explain the "relevancy"	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#100
I suspect that Israel could exclude criminals and violent security threats.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#104
You seem to believe that Israel would be required to accept Palestinians RoR in a way that	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#106
Of course it would.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#109
No way home: The tragedy of the Palestinian diaspora	Mosby	Jun 2012	#77
I find it odd that this thread seems so important to some here that despite the fact that	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#89
Sen. Kirk sides with Israel, tweets 'disappointed' in BBC Olympics coverage	Scurrilous	Jul 2012	#112

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