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In the discussion thread: No, criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism [View all]

Mon May 28, 2012, 07:09 AM

oberliner (22,139 posts)

42. No it doesn't

That talk page you link to is from the Wikipedia page on the Golan Heights - the full quote you cited does not appear there, just a reference to the 80 percent remark. Where did you get the rest of it from?

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No, criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism [View all]	azurnoir	May 2012	OP
Meanwhile 50 miles away thousands are dying in Syria.	Swede	May 2012	#1
not posting about Syria is antisemitic? do tell	azurnoir	May 2012	#2
No,obsessing over Israel is antisemtic.	Swede	May 2012	#3
so Noam Sheizaf "obsessing" over his own country is antisemtic? n/t	azurnoir	May 2012	#4
This message from the link sums it up nicely	Swede	May 2012	#5
so your citing an exchange between talkbackers ? define being against the existance of Israel	azurnoir	May 2012	#6
It speaks for itself.	Swede	May 2012	#7
so you believe that Richard Silverstein, Phil Weiss and Max Blumental are antisemites?	azurnoir	May 2012	#9
I agree with the quote,I left out those names,I don't know who they are.	Swede	May 2012	#15
ah so that's why, albeit perhaps you need to read more threads in this group	azurnoir	May 2012	#26
I know who they are...	Shaktimaan	Jun 2012	#139
Do you believe it's antisemitic when they make Israel/Nazi comparisons? n/t	shira	May 2012	#34
I could better answer that had I ever read any such comparisons	azurnoir	May 2012	#48
Here are some links	shira	May 2012	#73
In the cases you provided it was borderline is that why you only provided links no excepts?	azurnoir	May 2012	#77
I do. Do you believe it's EQUALLY offensive and unacceptable to make Palestinian/Nazi comparisons?	Ken Burch	May 2012	#60
The nazi analogy being unacceptable vs. bigoted are 2 different things	shira	May 2012	#74
Not directly...although it did get close...	Ken Burch	May 2012	#80
Do you acknowledge the genocidal incitement of Hamas and the PLO...	shira	May 2012	#81
Even if we assume those videos say what you say	Ken Burch	May 2012	#88
So you're in denial and don't believe Hamas really advocates genocidal incitement vs. Jews.	shira	May 2012	#103
Why are you so obsessed about those videos?	Ken Burch	May 2012	#89
Because those videos are important context to the Arab/Israel conflict...	shira	May 2012	#104
Do you believe it's anti-semitic when settlers compare the IDF to the Nazis?	Crunchy Frog	Jun 2012	#117
Depends. When they use that analogy, it's probably more idiotic than hateful.	shira	Jun 2012	#119
In that case they're drawing a hateful parallel to advance their own interests.	Shaktimaan	Jun 2012	#140
Actually, that post proves nothing	Ken Burch	May 2012	#58
A piece of advice...	holdencaufield	May 2012	#105
Well, in Sheizaf's case he presumably obsesses more over Israel because it's his own country	LeftishBrit	May 2012	#12
Sheizaf is just another anti-Israel activist	shira	May 2012	#17
I think you label so many people as 'anti-Israel activists'...	LeftishBrit	May 2012	#18
Anti-zionists or post-zionists (whatever they call themselves) are by definition...	shira	May 2012	#19
I suppose your right Ray Hanania would quickly make peace as Ray Hanania lives in Chicago	azurnoir	May 2012	#46
Not necessarily	Ken Burch	May 2012	#59
NO Palestinians are being murdered?	Ken Burch	May 2012	#57
Posting absolutly anything that is critical, questioning or shines negative light on	Dick Dastardly	May 2012	#92
Now you have piqued my curiosity, I am starting to understand a little better.	Starboard Tack	Jun 2012	#125
well I see you unfamilar with these parts so let me explain	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#126
The Irony of Language	holdencaufield	Jun 2012	#141
There are plenty of posts in DU about what's happening in Syria	Ken Burch	May 2012	#56
Perhaps the creation of a Syria forum would be in order.	Crunchy Frog	Jun 2012	#116
An overstatement in response to an overstatement.	aranthus	May 2012	#8
please explain what is BS about the last paragraph which is cited here n/t	azurnoir	May 2012	#10
Do you believe Israel's occupation is a racist, colonial project? n/t	shira	May 2012	#11
See Shira's post 11. n/t	aranthus	May 2012	#16
one of the terms is IMO quite applicable the other is not	azurnoir	May 2012	#25
Neither is applicable.	aranthus	May 2012	#27
prior legitimite claim? are you sure you wish to go there? your using the bible to claim legitimacy	azurnoir	May 2012	#28
Where do you get the idea that I'm using the Bible?	aranthus	May 2012	#31
The West Bank is NOT within the Green Line	Ken Burch	May 2012	#62
Yes. That's why it's disputed territory.	aranthus	May 2012	#82
Occupied, not disputed.	Ken Burch	May 2012	#86
and the Palestinians also are guilty of the Holocaust too?	azurnoir	May 2012	#93
You keep making things up.	aranthus	May 2012	#94
The Israeli government CONSTANTLY invokes the Holocaust	Ken Burch	May 2012	#97
your quote	azurnoir	May 2012	#107
You think that because the Palestinians followed the Mufti that implies	aranthus	May 2012	#112
Oh its quite clear you seem to advicate for the Palestinians mostly innocent civilians to be forever	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#124
That's like saying "mostly innocent" Japanese or inncent Germans.	aranthus	Jun 2012	#127
aha it is not changing the rules it is however pointing out fact	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#128
Neither statlessness nor population transfer is relevant to whether the Palestinians are refugees	aranthus	Jun 2012	#130
in the case of Israel and its Occupied territories the transfer of civilian population	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#131
They were NOT left stateless, it is true.	Shaktimaan	Jun 2012	#142
so Palestiunians get and deserve nothing and Israeli (Jews) have prior claim to everything	azurnoir	May 2012	#47
You just made that up. I never said or implied any such thing.	aranthus	May 2012	#85
Why couldn't Israel just say	Ken Burch	May 2012	#90
Well that's where Israel and I part company	aranthus	May 2012	#95
I'm glad to hear that.	Ken Burch	May 2012	#96
If this is the first time that you've read this from me,	aranthus	May 2012	#106
No I simply read what you wrote	azurnoir	May 2012	#108
You are misreading what I wrote.	aranthus	May 2012	#113
The problem is(and I say this as a person who wants Israel to survive)	Ken Burch	May 2012	#61
Indeed it isn't	LeftishBrit	May 2012	#13
Those on the left and right who deny, dismiss, ignore explain away, or excuse	shira	May 2012	#14
You could compare the situation with South Africa in 1994	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#20
Are Palestinian refugees suffering under apartheid in Lebanon? n/t	shira	May 2012	#21
You can't demand that people criticize every other country BEFORE they can comment	Ken Burch	May 2012	#63
If the anti-Israel contingent is going to bring up the false apartheid analogy WRT Israel....	shira	May 2012	#75
Are undocumented Mexican migrants suffering under apartheid in the United States?	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#22
You say some amazing things.	BudT	May 2012	#23
Interesting...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#29
The word has been abused enough . . .	BudT	May 2012	#32
Do you think that the Israelis treat the Palestinians like crap for cynical reasons?	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#33
Regarding that Dayan quote	eyl	May 2012	#35
The quote is discussed here:-	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#38
No it isn't	oberliner	May 2012	#39
Yes it does...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#40
No it doesn't	oberliner	May 2012	#42
Yes it does	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#43
No it doesn't	oberliner	May 2012	#44
Yes it does...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#49
No it doesn't	oberliner	May 2012	#51
Yes it does	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#52
I don't have access to the copy in question anymore	eyl	Jun 2012	#118
Interesting slice and dice with that Dayan quote	oberliner	May 2012	#36
I think from re-reading . .	BudT	May 2012	#45
I think our discussion was originally about South Africa...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#54
So that's a "no", correct? Refugees in Lebanon are not suffering under....	shira	May 2012	#24
The Palestinian refugees in Lebanon are suffering, but it's irrelevant to the I/P situation	Ken Burch	May 2012	#64
No Ken, Palestinians are suffering under apartheid conditions in Lebanon	shira	May 2012	#76
No it doesn't.	Ken Burch	May 2012	#78
Yes it does...	shira	May 2012	#114
Most of the time it's not, sometimes it is.	cali	May 2012	#30
How can you tell which is which?	oberliner	May 2012	#37
As far as I am concerned, the two biggest tell-tale signs...	LeftishBrit	May 2012	#41
Yes, those are valid signs	Ken Burch	May 2012	#79
"Israel is currently engaged in the longest-lasting military occupation on earth"	EX500rider	May 2012	#50
The Israeli occupation is the longest-standing current occupation...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#53
Occupation of Tibet...	holdencaufield	May 2012	#66
I think you have to choose one or the other...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#67
You just argued...	holdencaufield	May 2012	#68
The West Bank was annexed by Jordan at the time...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#83
You mean OCCUPIED by Jordan...	holdencaufield	May 2012	#91
If it was occupied by Jordan, then it was subsequently occupied by Israel...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#99
I don't deny occupation currently exists in the West Bank	holdencaufield	May 2012	#101
If it's an occupation, that denies any Israeli claim to the land. n/t	shira	Jun 2012	#135
Semantics	holdencaufield	Jun 2012	#137
untrue.	Shaktimaan	Jun 2012	#132
That is patently bollocks...	shaayecanaan	Jun 2012	#134
Then you choose. Apply the same standard to Israel as you do Tibet...	shira	Jun 2012	#136
Not anymore.	Shaktimaan	Jun 2012	#138
The PA merely administers the territory at the pleasure of the occupying power...	shaayecanaan	Jun 2012	#143
Russian occupation of the Southern Kuril Islands dates back to 1945...n/t	EX500rider	May 2012	#69
If that amounts to an occupation, then France is occupying Alsace Lorraine	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#84
Is Germany still trying to get back Alsace Lorraine?	EX500rider	May 2012	#109
Does anybody even live on the Kurils?	Ken Burch	May 2012	#98
Current population around 19,000	EX500rider	May 2012	#110
Thank you for the information	Ken Burch	May 2012	#111
When will see see 30,000 posts	holdencaufield	Jun 2012	#129
The West Bank occupation started in 1967 - isn't that 49 years? nt	hack89	May 2012	#70
The Israeli occupation of the West Bank is not 60 years old	oberliner	May 2012	#71
Some facts you left out of your comparison	BudT	May 2012	#72
That is categorically false...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#87
If this is actually important . .	BudT	May 2012	#100
Its the way we roll...	shaayecanaan	May 2012	#102
Well stated.	BudT	May 2012	#115
Yes...	holdencaufield	May 2012	#65
Antisemitism is a real issue, and is far from extinct	Ken Burch	May 2012	#55
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team)	mifes259se	Jun 2012	#120
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Purity in Politics	William deB. Mills	Jun 2012	#133
Here's why criticism from rabid anti-Israel groups like the PSC is considered antisemitic....	shira	Jun 2012	#144
so it could be taken in this round of guilt by association	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#145
Do you really wish to defend the PSC? They're infested with rabid Jew hating anti-Semites...	shira	Jun 2012	#146
I asked you about Miles of Smiles which allowed the group to enter Gaza with it	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#147
I expect an answer to my question as well. No evasion or misdirection this time, okay?	shira	Jun 2012	#148
quote "Miles of Smiles is actually worse than the PSC and that's saying a lot..."	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#149
Yeah, they are. As those articles showed. Here's another damning article, many links...	shira	Jun 2012	#150
serious question is there any charitable organization that has aided Palestinians	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#151
U.S. Designates Five Charities Funding Hamas and Six Senior Hamas Leaders as Terrorist Entities	shira	Jun 2012	#152
Your list is nearly a decade old do you have a current one? Interpal is not on the current list	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#153
Interpal is still banned in the USA. From June 2009...	shira	Jun 2012	#155
whats up next your lnk -Charity Interpal Cleared in UK, Banned in US	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#156
Even Turkey is now investigating IHH links to al-Qaeda. I mean FFS, what are you supporting?	shira	Jul 2012	#158
defend? nope just quoted your link	azurnoir	Jul 2012	#159
I removed the extension from your link and tried this http://www.ots.treas.gov	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#154
Its war advocation	Individualism	Jun 2012	#157

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