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In reply to the discussion: I would like to see an explanation of why water flowing thru/from Fukushima is bad [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)33. The OP is complaining about a lack of data
Are you saying that the study you are citing is addressing the lack of data the OP is complaining about?
We've seen this type of behavior from every polluting industry that ever came down the pike - the oil industry, the coal industry, the tobacco industry, the fracking industry - ALL of them renowned for obstructing the study of things they do wrong.
Why on earth would any rational human with an IQ above 80 think that the nuclear is any different?
Especially when, by its nature, it is more secretive, more centrally controlled and more apt to be plagued with the ills of bureaucracy than any other industry.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130821124556.htm
Viewing Fukushima in the Cold Light of Chernobyl
Aug. 21, 2013 The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster spread significant radioactive contamination over more than 3500 square miles of the Japanese mainland in the spring of 2011. Now several recently published studies of Chernobyl, directed by Timothy Mousseau of the University of South Carolina and Anders Møller of the Université Paris-Sud, are bringing a new focus on just how extensive the long-term effects on Japanese wildlife might be.
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Mousseau and Møller have with their collaborators just published three studies detailing the effects of ionizing radiation on pine trees and birds in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. "When you look for these effects, you find them," said Mousseau, a biologist in USC's College of Arts and Sciences.
In the journal Mutation Research, they showed that birds in Chernobyl had high frequencies of albino feathering and tumors. In PlosOne, they demonstrated that birds there had significant rates of cataracts, which likely impacted their fitness in the wild. And in the journal Trees, they showed that tree growth was suppressed by radiation near Chernobyl, particularly in smaller trees, even decades after the original accident.
Given previous work by scientists in former Soviet bloc nations, the results were not unexpected to Mousseau and Møller. "There's extensive literature from Eastern Europe about the effects of the release of radionuclides in Chernobyl," Mousseau said. "Unfortunately, very little of it was translated into English, and many of the papers -- which were printed on paper, not centrally stored, and never digitized -- became very hard to find because many of the publishers went belly up in the 1990s with the economic recession that followed the breakup of the Soviet Union."
A large body of this work finally came to the attention of Western scientists in 2009 with the publication of "Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment" as a monograph in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences.
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Viewing Fukushima in the Cold Light of Chernobyl
Aug. 21, 2013 The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster spread significant radioactive contamination over more than 3500 square miles of the Japanese mainland in the spring of 2011. Now several recently published studies of Chernobyl, directed by Timothy Mousseau of the University of South Carolina and Anders Møller of the Université Paris-Sud, are bringing a new focus on just how extensive the long-term effects on Japanese wildlife might be.
<snip>
Mousseau and Møller have with their collaborators just published three studies detailing the effects of ionizing radiation on pine trees and birds in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. "When you look for these effects, you find them," said Mousseau, a biologist in USC's College of Arts and Sciences.
In the journal Mutation Research, they showed that birds in Chernobyl had high frequencies of albino feathering and tumors. In PlosOne, they demonstrated that birds there had significant rates of cataracts, which likely impacted their fitness in the wild. And in the journal Trees, they showed that tree growth was suppressed by radiation near Chernobyl, particularly in smaller trees, even decades after the original accident.
Given previous work by scientists in former Soviet bloc nations, the results were not unexpected to Mousseau and Møller. "There's extensive literature from Eastern Europe about the effects of the release of radionuclides in Chernobyl," Mousseau said. "Unfortunately, very little of it was translated into English, and many of the papers -- which were printed on paper, not centrally stored, and never digitized -- became very hard to find because many of the publishers went belly up in the 1990s with the economic recession that followed the breakup of the Soviet Union."
A large body of this work finally came to the attention of Western scientists in 2009 with the publication of "Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment" as a monograph in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences.
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I would like to see an explanation of why water flowing thru/from Fukushima is bad [View all]
phantom power
Aug 2013
OP
and I am sure that if you are really interested, you can find the answers to all those questions.
niyad
Aug 2013
#1
wow--NOT ONE actual, scientific article giving the information you specifically requested? that is
niyad
Aug 2013
#16
the thing is, I'm not asking anybody to take Tepco's (or BP's) word for anything.
phantom power
Aug 2013
#27
Just who the hell do you think is OBSTRUCTING comprehensive and effective monitoring...
kristopher
Aug 2013
#29
There are 1.3x10^22 Becquerels of tritium in the ocean. 13 billion trillion.
phantom power
Aug 2013
#7
40 trilliion Bq of tritium diluted in 10 cubic kilometers of sea water gives an increase of 4 Bq/L.
GliderGuider
Aug 2013
#25
I've been wondering the same thing, but never had the balls to ask the question in this place.
GliderGuider
Aug 2013
#17