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Yo_Mama

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37. Uh, no, the German electricity sector is becoming ever more dependent on coal
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:00 PM
Feb 2013
http://thebreakthrough.org/archive/germany_returns_to_coal
Utilities in Germany, the largest power market and economy in Europe, have increased their use of coal-fired power plants continuously since the beginning of the year, Reuters reports. Analysts now project annual coal-fired power generation in 2012 will increase to 130 million megawatt-hours (MWhs), an increase of 15.5 million MWhs or 13.5 percent over 2011 levels.

All that additional coal combustion means about 14 million metric tons of CO2, assuming utilities burn hard coal, according to estimates from Matteo Mazzoni, an energy and carbon analyst at Nomisma Energia. Emissions would be higher if German power plants turn to lignite, or brown coal, a dirtier variety with lower energy content that is plentiful in the country.

Even assuming utilities burn hard coal, the increased emissions would be the equivalent to about 6 percent of total German emissions in 2008, or the average annual emissions of 2.8 million U.S. cars.


It is not the associated fossil fuel costs which are increasing - it is the associated renewable subsidy and distribution costs which are increasing. After the elections this year they will settle down and figure out a plan, but the costs of paying the renewable subsidies are mounting very rapidly:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-environment-ministry-plans-to-cap-subsidies-for-renewables-a-880301.html

and:
http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=12278

Without amendments to the Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG), the costs for the German Energiewende could add up to a trillion Euros “by the end of the thirties of this century”, Federal Environment Peter Altmaier told the newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

Feed-in tariffs in the amount of EUR 67 billion which had already been paid pursuant to the EEG, and another EUR 250 billion which will have to be paid until 2022 (as feed-in tariffs are granted for a 20 year period), equalled EUR 317 billion, Mr Altmaier explained. Another EUR 360 billion had to be added if the expansion of new renewable power plants continued unabated and nothing would be done to cut tariffs. This would lead to costs of EUR 680 billion by 2022, not including the costs for grid expansion, reserve capacity, R&D, electromobility and the energy-efficient renovation of buildings, he said.


more:
http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=12112


Exit economics: The relatively low cost of Germany's nuclear phase-out kristopher Jan 2013 #1
And part of the economics is that German lignite is cheap muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #5
Implication vs reality kristopher Jan 2013 #6
German carbon emissions from electricity generation went up in 2011 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #7
"greenhouse gas emissions should be of primary interest" kristopher Jan 2013 #9
Uh, no, the German electricity sector is becoming ever more dependent on coal Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #37
Your characterization of that information is untrue. kristopher Feb 2013 #40
My "characterization" comes directly from the sources Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #41
"the German electricity sector is becoming ever more dependent on coal" kristopher Feb 2013 #42
Sup Kris XemaSab Jan 2013 #2
du rec. nt xchrom Jan 2013 #3
Welcome back, n/t CRH Jan 2013 #4
Thank you. nt kristopher Feb 2013 #36
Coal is economical. joshcryer Jan 2013 #8
Unfortunately it is. kristopher Jan 2013 #10
A tax. joshcryer Feb 2013 #11
"Externalize the cost of coal"?? kristopher Feb 2013 #12
I should have said "address the external costs of coal." joshcryer Feb 2013 #13
Think about your "belief" kristopher Feb 2013 #14
You've been saying that for years. joshcryer Feb 2013 #15
Why would people burn coal when it will cost less to use renewables? kristopher Feb 2013 #17
Well, sure, they wouldn't, if it did. joshcryer Feb 2013 #22
Price trends are unequivocal. kristopher Feb 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Feb 2013 #16
"all the energy that is economical to use" kristopher Feb 2013 #18
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re: Harris kristopher Feb 2013 #20
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Your second clause is specifically rejected by Harris kristopher Feb 2013 #23
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I didn't think you were being critical kristopher Feb 2013 #28
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"Increase efficiency when energy sources are limiting" kristopher Feb 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Feb 2013 #29
That's odd, GG. kristopher Feb 2013 #31
I realized I wasn't ready to start discussing this yet, for a variety of reasons. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #32
Well, we have to concede that anti-nuke ignorance, fear, and superstition HAVE NNadir Feb 2013 #33
"anti-nuke ignorance, fear, and superstition HAVE"... kristopher Feb 2013 #34
You can't admit that anti-nuke ignorance/fear/superstition EXIST FBaggins Feb 2013 #35
Even after Fukushima, twice as many French support nuclear power as are against wtmusic Feb 2013 #38
How many want to transition away from nuclear? kristopher Feb 2013 #39
I always thought the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists was written by scientists wtmusic Feb 2013 #43
You ARE the person who was promoting the fictional... kristopher Feb 2013 #44
You have distinct memories of that, do you? wtmusic Feb 2013 #45
That's a very convenient memory lapse kristopher Feb 2013 #46
And a scathing critique it is. wtmusic Feb 2013 #47
You have to admit your standards of what constitute "science" are very subjective kristopher Feb 2013 #48
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