Environment & Energy

dumbcat

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43. I also agree.

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:21 PM

Feb 2013

Brand definitely won that debate.

I'm new here, but lurked on DU2 many years ago for awhile. Life events overtook me and I lost interest in environment and energy activism. Now I am back and hoping to catch up.

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Stewart Brand: Why Environmentalists Must Accept Nuclear [View all] wtmusic Feb 2013 OP

Brand is not an authority on this topic kristopher Feb 2013 #1

Of course he's an authority... and he absolutely demolished Jacobsen FBaggins Feb 2013 #9

AGREED!! PamW Feb 2013 #23

I also agree. dumbcat Feb 2013 #43

xkcd... gcomeau Feb 2013 #2

nice phantom power Feb 2013 #3

I'm down for that wtmusic Feb 2013 #5

He is 100% correct dbackjon Feb 2013 #4

No, he isn't. kristopher Feb 2013 #6

I will take your disapproval as a sign I am correct dbackjon Feb 2013 #7

Now that's not fair FBaggins Feb 2013 #12

I like a lot of what Brand has to say, but he's wrong about nuclear. diane in sf Feb 2013 #20

H. T. Odum had something to say about situations like this. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #8

Wouldn't it be great if we could maximize power intake wtmusic Feb 2013 #10

I frankly don't think it's possible. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #11

Energy is available to both of us right now wtmusic Feb 2013 #13

Good questions. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #17

I wanted to thank you for your thoughtful answer wtmusic Feb 2013 #19

One of the most cogent posts I've seen in a long while. Thanks. n/t appal_jack Feb 2013 #21

All of us see the world and try to construct a mental analog, wtmusic Feb 2013 #27

I'll make a strong claim for the simplicity of this framework. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #28

I think that's a bit wonky GG. joshcryer Feb 2013 #14

The global economy is expanding. The world population is still growing. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #15

Yeah, that's the paradox of capitalist development, though. joshcryer Feb 2013 #18

I respectfully disagree. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #22

Capitalism required inequitible development globally. joshcryer Feb 2013 #24

How do you get a scenario where every country grows at the same rate? GliderGuider Feb 2013 #25

Smart primitivists realizing private property is a scam. joshcryer Feb 2013 #29

Wishing up scenarios is one thing. Real life is quite another. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #30

There are examples. See the Aka. joshcryer Feb 2013 #31

Remnant low-energy cultures like the Aka, !Kung, Pirahã and Penan GliderGuider Feb 2013 #32

It's hard for me to see how high energy equates authoritarianism. joshcryer Feb 2013 #33

The issue is energy quality, and work GliderGuider Feb 2013 #34

It sucks to be you? wtmusic Feb 2013 #37

Tell it to the laws of thermodynamics. nt GliderGuider Feb 2013 #38

Thermodynamics says nothing about goals wtmusic Feb 2013 #39

OK, how about "ultimate end state"? GliderGuider Feb 2013 #40

How are you defining "waste"? wtmusic Feb 2013 #41

Waste heat = an increase in system disorder = entropy GliderGuider Feb 2013 #42

By the way, thanks for your comment about language. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #44

"low energy density is the primary hallmark of low energy quality" kristopher Feb 2013 #45

Sorry - it's actually low energy "transformity" that's the hallmark of low quality. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #46

Someone, somewhere, will do it cheaper and dirtier with the same energy sources . . . hatrack Feb 2013 #16

Stewart Brand...hadn't heard that name in a while. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #26

Stewart Brand is a nutjob that makes money bilking RW nutjobs jpak Feb 2013 #35

Thanks for kick wtmusic Feb 2013 #36