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Response to GliderGuider (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:18 PM

19. Self organizing systems...

 

Is population merely a result of a system trying to establish how to maximize growth and consumption under dynamic conditions? Perhaps the early trajectory was established at a time when it was necessary to have a lot of autonomous consumers, but with the exponential growth in consumption among a minority, the system is now evolving to cull the masses and focus on development instead of population growth? In any case, population is not the problem, but a result of a system that is the very problem. Population will be adjusted either way to produce the largest aggregate growth and consumption, and is irrelevant in itself if removed from the context of industrial civilization.

The population though, as it exists in its entire makeup, is beneficial for the overall system's growth probably. If it begins to bottleneck the system, its will be adjusted. But perhaps the only way those 5% of the population can consume 20% of the energy is by exploiting and standing on billions of the impoverished. So, while those people do not cause the consumption (and may be on the decline), they enable the minority to.

So frankly, I would be pessimistic about a decline in population being a "good" thing if its due to systematic (political or economic) pressures, because it is likely being done as part of an evolution to grow the system further. So Im basically stating that almost everything that happens within our civilization after this level of entrenchment (even "liberal" social change) may be suspect and merely instituted to perpetuate growth and exploitation.

There was a guy that said something close to that about liberal activists (that they merely implement change a system has already determined it needs to accelerate its growth). He did some bad things. We locked him up.

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