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OKIsItJustMe

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21. Well, first off, I don’t see a way to avoid carbon capture and sequestration at this point

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:16 PM

Dec 2012

(Yes, yes, I can hear the villagers with their torches and pitchforks.)

However, as I have pointed out in the past, if we stopped all fossil fuel use today, that simply is not soon enough. We need to be actively removing GHG’s from the atmosphere.

350 ppm is a long way back, and if James Hansen is right, we probably need to go well below 350 ppm.

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The thing keeping us from fighting global warming is that TPTB won't listen to us. [View all] GliderGuider Dec 2012 OP

Permian-Triassic Extinction Event Part II: Permian Harder AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #1

The problem is that "we" aren't listening to the system NoOneMan Dec 2012 #2

I think resignation is a larger problem OKIsItJustMe Dec 2012 #3

That third group you mentioned AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #5

Everything we do is a natural process OKIsItJustMe Dec 2012 #20

Attempting to restore the ecosystem is screwing with it The2ndWheel Dec 2012 #23

“If we don't kill ourselves, we will likely kill many (if not all) of the other species currently…” OKIsItJustMe Dec 2012 #25

What would you see as a solution if the skeptics capitulated? GliderGuider Dec 2012 #6

The solution is to shut down the global economy pscot Dec 2012 #9

Oh, no question. Even I wouldn't like it much. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #10

I'd like to understand, but I don't pscot Dec 2012 #14

I don't see that it has to be true. Iterate Dec 2012 #13

I advocate the end of farming NoOneMan Dec 2012 #15

I tend to side with Daniel Quinn and Jared Diamond when it comes to farming. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #16

No, I didn't forget your posts. Iterate Dec 2012 #18

we could start with food rationing. Blackhawk44 Dec 2012 #36

You could stop half the farms and still have enough food NoOneMan Dec 2012 #37

Well, first off, I don’t see a way to avoid carbon capture and sequestration at this point OKIsItJustMe Dec 2012 #21

Yes, getting back to 350 or below is the issue isn't it? GliderGuider Dec 2012 #22

You know… Freeman Dyson actually made a decent point about the Keeling Curve OKIsItJustMe Dec 2012 #32

“Pulling CO2 back out of the air might be easier than building jets and cars that don’t emit it.” OKIsItJustMe Dec 2012 #33

There's too much profit to be had, why would they listen? joshcryer Dec 2012 #4

There's too much comfort to be had, why would WE listen? nt GliderGuider Dec 2012 #7

Two words: Twelve Monkeys AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #8

Absolutely right. One small example... Iterate Dec 2012 #11

Low carbon folks are a copascetic crowd. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #12

I figure 35mph. hunter Dec 2012 #24

Yes, most people would say we can't have an immediate end to all fossil fuel use muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #17

I would call such a crash program more of a response than a solution. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #19

Who? nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #26

Who what? nt GliderGuider Dec 2012 #29

TPTB. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #31

the problem is MrDiaz Dec 2012 #27

Yes, that's the dilemma isn't it? GliderGuider Dec 2012 #30

Here are the walls of the carbon box we're in, as I see them GliderGuider Dec 2012 #28

That's a succinct (if gloomy) summary Nihil Dec 2012 #35

Hell the powers that be, blame us, ... CRH Dec 2012 #34