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OKIsItJustMe

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51. Morality appears to be much more than a “learned trait”
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:18 PM
Apr 2012
http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/03/02/bad-behavior-leaves-bad-taste-in-mouth/4482.html
[font face=Times, Times New Roman, Serif][font size=5]Bad Behavior Leaves Bad Taste In Mouth[/font]

By Rick Nauert PhD
Senior News Editor

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In the study, the scientists examined facial movements when participants tasted unpleasant liquids and looked at photographs of disgusting objects such as dirty toilets or injuries.

They compared these to their facial movements when they were subjected to unfair treatment in a laboratory game. The U of T team found that people make similar facial movements in response to both primitive forms of disgust and moral disgust.



“We found that people show activation of this muscle region in all three situations — when tasting something bad, looking at something disgusting and experiencing unfairness,” says Chapman.

“These results shed new light on the origins of morality, suggesting that not only do complex thoughts guide our moral compass, but also more primitive instincts related to avoiding potential toxins,” says Adam Anderson, principal investigator on the project and the Canada Research Chair in Affective Neuroscience.

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http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_REPORT/erarchive/2007/April/April%2016/DeWaal.htm
[font face=Times, Times New Roman, Serif]April 16, 2007
[font size=5]De Waal sides with Darwin: Morality is instinctual, evolved[/font]

by emily rios

[font size=3]"Darwin was right,” said Frans de Waal during his “Morality and Primate Social Behavior” presentation to a capacity-filled room at the recent 2007 Sheth Distinguished Lecture. De Waal, director of the Living Links Center at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center and a C.H. Candler Professor of Psychology at Emory, agreed with Darwin’s emphasis on continuity with animals even in the moral domain: “Any animal endowed with well-marked social instincts . . . would inevitably acquire a moral sense or conscience, as soon as its intellectual powers had become as well developed, or nearly as well developed, as in man.”

Contradicting this theory are the beliefs of 19th-century philosopher Thomas Henry Huxley. De Waal noted that Huxley believed that humans are selfish and competitive, and human morality is nothing more than a facade. This “veneer theory,” as de Waal calls it, suggests human morality is a departure from nature and humans are essentially bad to the core.

Siding with Darwin, de Waal discounted this theory in his presentation just as he does in his latest book, “Primates and Philosophers: How Morality Evolved.” De Waal shared his belief that human morality grows from our genes and the traits that define morality — empathy, reciprocity, reconciliation and consolation — can be seen in many animals, most particularly in primates.



De Waal cited an example of a female bonobo who attempted to help a small bird. “Kuni picked up the starling with one hand and climbed to the highest point of the highest tree where she wrapped her legs around the trunk so that she had both hands free to hold the bird. She then carefully unfolded its wings and spread them wide open, one wing in each hand. Having seen birds in flight many times, she seemed to have a notion of what would be good for a bird.”

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Are you a Doomer™? [View all] GliderGuider Apr 2012 OP
Good conversation. I can't really add to it xchrom Apr 2012 #1
What does the word Fixed™ mean to you? GliderGuider Apr 2012 #2
Well in government terms - for example - the EPA xchrom Apr 2012 #4
Our brain structure helps lock us into crisis mode responses. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #16
I think the Enlightenment gave us other structures xchrom Apr 2012 #18
To what extent does the Enlightenment trump Evolution? GliderGuider Apr 2012 #20
Who says the Enlightenment is not Evolution? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #34
It didn't change our brain structure or function GliderGuider Apr 2012 #35
Actually I was suggesting that the Age of Enlightenment was a product of our evolution OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #36
Sorry, but I don't see culture in Darwinian terms. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #42
Darwin did OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #49
I know about epigenetics GliderGuider Apr 2012 #50
Morality appears to be much more than a “learned trait” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #51
Try a morality that's a little more complex and problematic than altruism. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #52
The Moral Instinct OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #53
Interesting that you should quote Pinker GliderGuider Apr 2012 #55
Babies embrace punishment earlier than previously thought, study suggests OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #54
Again, it's too easy. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #56
You claimed (upstream) “Morality is a learned trait that is passed on through teaching” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #57
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, at least for now. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #58
That strikes me as a kind of latter day lysenkoism pscot Apr 2012 #45
...and yet.. atheous Apr 2012 #3
Sounds like high school kids on acid. nt kristopher Apr 2012 #5
You ever do drugs, kris? XemaSab Apr 2012 #10
It's only natural GliderGuider Apr 2012 #14
Sure GG. kristopher Apr 2012 #19
The funny thing is, GliderGuider Apr 2012 #21
No, it isn't. kristopher Apr 2012 #25
these people play too many video games. provis99 Apr 2012 #6
Video games? Why do you say that? nt GliderGuider Apr 2012 #17
The human race is doomed to extinction. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #7
I hear you - I'm 61. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #13
Apathy -- I can't take it or leave it. nt Speck Tater Apr 2012 #15
AHA, I knew you were a Boomer *EVILGRIN* Odin2005 Apr 2012 #38
Yep, I'm a BoomerDoomer™ GliderGuider Apr 2012 #39
I am not a Doomer™ OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #8
I like that - I identify alternately with Eeyore and Tigger. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #12
Neither really OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #22
So now I'm confused. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #23
Perhaps I was unclear OKIsItJustMe Apr 2012 #24
When the caterpillar builds a chrysalis and XemaSab Apr 2012 #9
That so resonates for me. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #11
exactly! FirstLight Apr 2012 #30
There's a lot to be said on the ideas you've raised. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Apr 2012 #41
A lot of people accused of being Doomers™ are actually Wayseers™. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #43
It is what it is, whatever it is RobertEarl Apr 2012 #26
Ah, you're walking nice and close to the edge there! GliderGuider Apr 2012 #27
I dunno RobertEarl Apr 2012 #28
Nobody else gets to decide what is best. Just You™. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #29
I suffer severe depression. I take meds. hunter Apr 2012 #32
Well put. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #33
BTW, "demon wrangler"? GliderGuider Apr 2012 #48
He managed drunk and disorderly Captain Americas and Mad Scientists essential to the war effort... hunter Apr 2012 #59
That's quite a story. Thanks. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #60
They wrestled with titanium. The metal was not yet domesticated. hunter Apr 2012 #63
The whole main casing was motor - home-packed Zinc/Sulphur GliderGuider Apr 2012 #64
I'm a long-term optimist. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #37
I'm an alarmist, though partially a doomer I still think something can be done. joshcryer Apr 2012 #40
How do you define Fucked™, Josh? nt GliderGuider Apr 2012 #44
Good post pscot Apr 2012 #46
Thanks. Yes, I have acquired some very good friends. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #47
Global economic collapse and resource wars never before seen. joshcryer Apr 2012 #61
Fair enough. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #62
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