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Igel

(35,282 posts)
6. Don't be so quick to denounce it as a myth.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:16 AM
Sep 2012

Meaning "meaningless story."

It's not. There are still niches to be filled, and for those there's a good chance of upward mobility. But there are fewer than there used to be, so upward mobility, once common, is more restricted.

The key word is "competition." If you can compete, then you can move upwards. By saying there's no chance to successfully compete, you're saying there's no point in preparing for competition.

I teach a wide mix of kids. Some of them have good imaginations and can see themselves competing, they can see themselves moving into jobs that don't exist. Many can't see themselves moving into jobs that they don't see adults around them filling already. Many of those jobs are going to go away, and they can't conceive of an alternative. Unrealistic dreams are more likely to produce something innovative than a relentless prosaicism that merely asserts that what is is and what is will be.

There's not much of an alternative except simply paying people the same for doing something that requires a lot of education and hard work as for doing something that requires no education but still a lot of hard work. That won't wash. You simply don't produce as much flipping burgers and cleaning toilets as you do on an assembly line or producing a new medicine. It would require massive redistribution of income to less efficient companies in order to pay them. We could pay directly through the IRS, but then the risk is paying people to breathe.

We don't like doing that kind of redistribution. It accounts for much of the rising cost of higher ed. Colleges aren't efficient. They have virtually 0% productivity gain over the last 50 years.

This line stands out for me: LWolf Sep 2012 #1
I think one of the reasons is that within living memory americans (my grandparents and parents' HiPointDem Sep 2012 #2
"Magic merit dust" -- there's a memorable phrase. :^) eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #3
"But our mythology has never caught up with the facts." Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #4
Don't be so quick to denounce it as a myth. Igel Sep 2012 #6
Colleges are not efficient? At what? mbperrin Sep 2012 #7
"if you can compete, you can move up". everyone can compete. most people lose. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #8
Do you mean your assertion to apply to professional athletes? If not how do you define exceptions?nt jody Sep 2012 #13
OR upward mobility is more restricted to STEM fields and some entertainment fields. nt jody Sep 2012 #14
If most jobs are of the burger-flipping variety, that means most people will not be 'competitive,' HiPointDem Dec 2012 #20
Didn't the Head Start Program have any effect on reducing poverty? jody Sep 2012 #5
head start has no effect on the poverty rate. it's an educational enrichment program intended HiPointDem Sep 2012 #9
OK Head Start has only minor effects on children. Its purpose is jody Sep 2012 #10
it has been successful. it's the most successful educational intervention ever. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #11
You assert Head Start is the "most successful educational intervention ever" but on what factor? jody Sep 2012 #12
Head start has been around for nearly 50 years and has been studied intensively over that time. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #15
I understand, your mind is made up so reject facts even the "Head Start Impact Study". I want to jody Sep 2012 #16
Children remain mired in poverty because wealth is becoming more concentrated. The one follows HiPointDem Sep 2012 #17
Is poverty destiny? Ideology vs. evidence in school reform GMR Transcription Dec 2012 #18
Members, I'm pretty sure this account is a spam bot. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #19
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