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In reply to the discussion: "Seen On DU": Ed Meese Approves of this thread! [View all]Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)50. The blog you linked to, and I quote:
So men who look at page 3 are eyeball-raping the models? So all women dress like they do because men force them to? So a man cant be a feminist because, by accident of birth, hes automatically a patriarchal oppressor?
Yes, yes and yes. Youve been paying attention after all!
But wait! the casual reader might be thinking. Its not like some dude is holding a gun to these models heads. Theyre making a free choice to pose, right?
Heres the deal.
Cultural, social and economic pressures combine to make a very powerful force. With that on their side, dudes dont have to hold guns to womens heads (usually) to get them to strip for the Male Gaze. Fear of poverty, and the need for validation through male attention do most of the coercing.
So what she's saying there, as I'm sure you're well aware, is YES, it IS "eyeball rape".
Do you disagree? Is looking at a picture of a naked woman NOT eyeball rape? Then perhaps you should march on over to the blog you linked, and tell her so.
But wait, there's more:
Dude Nation then gets to sit back, relax, claim that all of these women are freely choosing to get naked for dudely enjoyment, and bask in unlimited visual access to womens bodies without feeling the slightest guilt.
Wow, what a setup those dudes have! No wonder they get so nasty when anyone suggests they should part with it!
Wow, what a setup those dudes have! No wonder they get so nasty when anyone suggests they should part with it!
Don't you find it just the slightest bit funny that here is this blogger fulminating against the private consenting adult behavior of people she's never met, and she's acting like THEY are the problem? "No wonder they get so nasty"? Yeah- because people tend to "get nasty" when total strangers feel entitled to take it upon themselves to try to run their lives for them. Duh. It'd be like Rush Limbaugh saying, "these women like Sandra Fluke, they get to sit back and have sex and use contraception or even get abortions and la-deee-dah they can enjoy themselves and no one even makes them feel guilty about it!!!"
"No wonder they get so nasty when anyone suggests" blah blah blah.
Right, because "anyone" should worry about what is happening in their own god-damn pants, not the pants of the other 7 billion consenting adults on the planet.
Rinse. Repeat.
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as the main protagonist on that threaad i thought throwing this in was a bit banal
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#1
I hear you. However, this is "seen on du". Its like Ice Road Truckers, but with DU.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2012
#8
Right. It couldnt possibly be that PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SEX.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2012
#10
I get that there's probably always going to be a nature/nurture debate
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#11
The truly sad part is they are convinced by the weakest of evidence presented by unqualified hacks
Major Nikon
Jul 2012
#12
I think most actual Feminists are focused on things like choice and equal pay
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2012
#19
I actually think it's a very small minority that is anti-porn, period.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2012
#21
Hetero Men, you only like looking at naked women because youve been "trained" to!
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2012
#15
Seen on DU: men only support "pussy riot" because we like to say "pussy"
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#32
Apparently, men are running around in public, masturbating EVERYWHERE!
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#36
What's funny is, Dworkin and her devotees "preferred the fundies", too.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#74
Here's the wikipedia article on Female Ejaculation, with several sourced studies dating back to '79
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#39
And, again, looking at a picture of a naked woman is comitting "eyeball rape!"
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#46
the Liberal Sexist Dude said that. as far as i know, the author was talking male gaze.
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#48
Most of the terms they use are either rhetorical nonsense or intellectual dishonesty
Major Nikon
Sep 2012
#72
So now that you've been shown to be factually wrong- again- time for the cricket noise, huh?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#77
"unlike today", it was normal for stone age men & women to show compassion for each other!
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#53
Did you know that neanderthal's buried their mothers in graves with trinkets n' stuff?
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#57
That one phrase just stuck out at me like a blinking sore thumb: "unlike today"
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#71
If I was a conservative troll on a progressive board, I'd have a personna of a rad-fem....
Old and In the Way
Sep 2012
#69
If I run around quoting Marx all day, is it really an insult to call me a Marxist?
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#85
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception."
lumberjack_jeff
Oct 2012
#86
Well, I'm certainly glad there is a round condemnation of the foolishness of all PIV intercourse....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Oct 2012
#88
She never said that, and besides, she took it back. You know, the thing she never said.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#91
And to reinforce the notion that they are in no way supportive of such notions
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#92
It is a saturated market. You have to be at the top of your game to maintain market share. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2012
#103
There's only so many ways you can say the exact same thing over and over.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#108
Yeah, it's also one of those pay porn sites that Red State people apparently frequent.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#134
incestuous child molestation is caused by.. Wait for it... "Evo psych"!
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#115
Another gem fom the house of "you pulled this from where?" assertions. Shall I map it out?
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#117
"Political Correctness" is a term MADE UP BY ITS CRITICS, which was never used seriously!!!!
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#125
There is, 'sadly'--- "No discussion of porn" in the US Political Debate: Um, not true.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#128
No doubt. What's the over/under on their blocked list growing before nightfall?
opiate69
Nov 2012
#132
But if you avoid things you don't like how can you be righteously outraged
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#139
Ah yes that pesky rape culture that is so common, so powerful, so effective that
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#151
Did you hear? 88% of porn contains "aggressive acts" like.. the insertion of a penis in a mouth.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#158
I think the fact that "spanking" is the #1 "aggressive act" in the study, says it all.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2013
#167
"The more pornography women use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex,"
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#160
More information on the Meese Commission: Official Inquiry Into The Sex Industry under Reagan, 1986
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2013
#171
is this thread really about some troll that came into an OP of mine. all this was built up from a
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#173
Are you seriously disputing the Meese Commission wasn't packed with right-wing religious zealots?
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#175