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delrem

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3. Those who support the democratic left in Latin America know exactly what 'fascist' means.
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 10:02 PM
Apr 2014

God knows the meaning has been demonstrated, in blood, over and over and over again. But, I'm sure fascists have a few semantic quibbles.

One thing is fact, the fascist right likes to portray the right-wing fascist oligarchs of Latin America as... regular people, the bedrock of the 99%. As "caring".

Fascists everywhere don't like the word 'fascist'. Compared to in its glory days, the word is in disrepute. Fascists dislike references to history, esp. to US based planning, support and orchestration of fascist coups and fascist movements in Latin America -- ESPECIALLY when those references are to recent events, attempted coups and capital strikes having a remarkable similarity to this decade's ongoing fascist attempts to overthrow Venezuela's (for one) democracy.

It's the *word*, it's the *term* 'fascist' that fascists don't like: not the methods. Not their fascist leaders or their fascist objectives. In fact, at the same time that fascists are wincing at the word 'fascist', they're inevitably promoting fascist violence against recently elected leftist gov'ts. Because they are working toward a right-wing coup, promoting a civil war that'll bring in the fascist right-wing government that lost in elections, they promote violence at every step (or every post) - that's just the way of it.

To say the least, those same fascists don't like references to the fact that Maduro and before him Chavez were democratically elected. That isn't part of their narrative. They prefer to repeat ad infinitum the lie that these are "dictators", since that lie best fits their anti-democratic fascist plans. They're like American Enterprise Institute stooges repeating the refrain that Obama is a "Kenyan", so not a legitimate US president - because what matters to them is their hateful bought-and-paid-for fascist message and that one simple lie gives them carte blanche. Because their aim is to disrupt and throw a monkey wrench into the machinery of democratic reform.

Most certainly Latin American fascists are wreckers of all things leftist. They are also very violent - having no inhibitions against ramping up violence to overthrow democracies and to terrorize and kill reformists. History has shown, 100% of the time, that it's what they fucking do.

It's not at all different in mainland USA, where e.g. fascists HATE the ACA, however tepid the ACA correction is. They do everything, tell every lie (death panels! communism!) to discredit it in the MSM, and they devote their entire political capital toward destroying it.

This charming little excerpt COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #1
You keep using that word "fascist" Marksman_91 Apr 2014 #2
Those who support the democratic left in Latin America know exactly what 'fascist' means. delrem Apr 2014 #3
Interesting observations from the Meriam-Webster definition Flatulo Apr 2014 #5
so I guess his/her point is that since Maduro was elected he can't be a fascist Bacchus4.0 Apr 2014 #6
I think one can argue whether Hitler should be considered 'left' or 'right' wing too. Oele Apr 2014 #7
As I said, I'm sure fascists have a few semantic quibbles. What else to expect? delrem Apr 2014 #8
what's a good word to describe chavismo and madurismo type of government ? inept, repressive, Bacchus4.0 Apr 2014 #10
You and I must be reading different versions of DU. Where in the name of all that is fucking holy Flatulo Apr 2014 #21
I must have missed the posts where folks here denied Flatulo Apr 2014 #13
Your own posts are perfect denials of all historical fact. delrem Apr 2014 #14
As I thought. You're full of it. Thanks. Flatulo Apr 2014 #16
Those who support the democratic left in Latin America know exactly what 'fascist' means. delrem Apr 2014 #25
Repeating a post you already posted? Now it's confirmed you're just here to troll. Marksman_91 Apr 2014 #26
Since my friend Flatulo hadn't been paying attention. delrem Apr 2014 #28
You don't understand nuance very well, do you? In your mind, are there no positions in between Flatulo Apr 2014 #29
Do you read your own posts? delrem Apr 2014 #33
The Maduro government is the very definition of a fascist state. Flatulo Apr 2014 #4
And so in a puff of hot fetid air the history of fascism in Latin America is denied, then delrem Apr 2014 #9
You don't ready very well. Can you point out where Flatulo Apr 2014 #15
I repeat: it's your modus operandi. delrem Apr 2014 #19
You're a cute one, aren't you. You level accusations, Flatulo Apr 2014 #20
You've got that right. "Hot fetid air" is even complimentary! Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #27
agreed, I don't see how any one could ever wish a government like in Venezuela upon anyone Bacchus4.0 Apr 2014 #11
The interesting thing about all socialist Utopian revolutions, Flatulo Apr 2014 #12
Of course, it's a war against the poor victimized billionaires, like the Kochs. delrem Apr 2014 #17
Yes, a war against the rich... Marksman_91 Apr 2014 #18
We've seen the play book a hundred times. Trumped-up charges, kangaroo courts, civilian defenders Flatulo Apr 2014 #22
I wonder what the end game for chavistas including the keyboard revolutionaries is supposed to be Bacchus4.0 Apr 2014 #23
If history is any teacher, those in power are loathe Flatulo Apr 2014 #24
"running a modern state with only brute labor and slogans." Memorable, sorta. Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #30
This (miniature) problem of communication delrem Apr 2014 #35
Disdain for the poor, as you put it, has nothing to do with anything. It's about the need for a Flatulo Apr 2014 #36
Yes, we've heard all the promises about ensuring that the trains run on time. delrem Apr 2014 #37
The Bolivarian program is modeled after thoroughly discredited Marxist teachings and is, as Flatulo Apr 2014 #38
amazing the decline that has taken place there over the past 15 years Bacchus4.0 Apr 2014 #31
Here ya go, whiner delrem Apr 2014 #34
Venezuela's not going to do well no matter which side is in power. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #32
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