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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #8)
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:14 PM
joshcryer (39,746 posts)
9. Please drop the paternalist talking points and insulting me.
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Though the turnout for this primary vote was more than expected, it proves nothing much except that the right managed to unite its factions and come up with an attractive, liberal-sounding presidential candidate
The turnout for the US Presidental primaries of 2008 barely reached 15%. This is a whole 10% higher than our historic primaries. Playing the "glass is half empty" game is nonsensical propaganda. The Venezuelan primaries of 2012 were the most historical primary elections in history. That's why people spouted hateful nonsense about how it would be impossible for those stupid Venezuelans to vote in the time frame that they had, despite that all witness accounts were to the contrary.
Furthermore, calling the people who voted for Capriles "right wing" is just another uninformed ignorant and hateful smear against the Venezuelan people. Capriles won all demographic groups. He never got below 50% with the poorest of the poor. That is making chavista's shake in their boots.
The pollster you cite (Consultores 21) GIVES NO NUMBERS (as to "even odds" between Capriles vs Chavez). None! It's just the vice president of the polling firm GUESSING what the turnout in a primary meant--and highly political (pro-right) guessing at that.
When the polls come out I will tell you. We know that the pro-Chavez pollsters during the primaries got it totally wrong and actually gave the impression that MCM was going to beat HCR or give him a run for his money. The chavista's wanted that because MCM was a polarizing figure, getting into spats with Chavez, if anyone was the right wing candidate it was her. C21 got the primaries right (as per the previous link), they can be trusted.
You ARE rightwing and, furthermore, like the Corporate Media, you never, ever, EVER admit that the Chavez government has achieved anything positive whatsoever
This is factually false, as any Google search can show that I have indeed said that Chavez' reforms have helped reduce poverty. The difference between you and I is that I read the acedemic, impartial studies that discuss poverty reduction in Latin America, and conclude that populist, authoritarian regimes do not fare as well as social democracies.
So continue lying, if you wish, it's not true, I am not a right winger, and while I will not alert on your hateful insults, I will ask the jury that if anyone alerts I am simply defending myself from propagandistic smears. If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. You can't refute the stuff I've said, all you can do is insult me and make stuff up about the Venezuelan people.
I will give one telling example of your rightwing "talking points" (in the above). You say that there is more violence in Venezuela than in "places like Iraq and Afghanistan." Where are you getting this from and why are you repeating it?
Impartial sources? The UNODC? Uncontroversial sources? The Venezuelan government itself when it was providing the data? This is an uncontroversial observation. It is an important observation, because Chavez got elected because the crime rate was so high and he was seen as someone who would provide security for the country.
The original source for this slander of the Chavez government was the New York Slimes most slimebag so-called reporter, Slimin' Romero!
Who? I base my information on my own, personal, research. I know that a lot of people need to read propaganda to form their own opinions, but I myself read every source that I have available, including propagandistic sites which are regularly posted here to sway my opinion, and if I disagree, am called a right winger.
If you or that Huffington Post blogger have a problem with UNODC figures, please provide the analysis.
I'm fully open to information that contridicts the data.
What kind of a question is that? It is a rightwing, bullshit, "Tea Party"-ish question, which seeks to slander Chavez, who has killed NO ONE, with the deliberate genocide of George Bush!
Hey, you're the one that claims that Chavez brought justice to the Venezuelan people. Of course, you only appear to care about "economic justice." The prison incarceration rate in Venezuela is 5 times what it is in the United States, and we have the highest incarceration in the world. You don't really want justice, you just want to defend deplorable policies. I want the Venezuelan people to have the best country in Latin America, and because they're sitting on oil reserves they can, if they didn't have authoritarian policies in place spread by propaganda.
But time is running short.
And YOU are one of the people they have targeted--in their lies about Iraq and now their lies about Venezuela--people who don't bother to question them
The only person here not questioning the data is you. I am giving you all of my sources, I am substantiating every single word I write. You provided me one link. What was the link to? A completely tangential posting about Simon Romero which has no relevance to the discussion. I don't even know who that is, nor would I base my opinion on one single article. It is laughable that you presume to be a barer of truth when all you can provide is hateful insults and pointless tangents. My data does not rely on what Romero wrote, therefore half of your post has nothing to do with anything.
When you assume, you make an ass out of you to me. ASS U ME.
edit: Hey, you wanted a poll? I found this posted just today:
Chavez was supported by 46 percent of those surveyed in a poll by Caracas-based Consultores 21 taken between March 3 and March 13, while opposition candidate Henrique Capriles Radonski had 45 percent. The poll used a sample of 2,000 people with a margin of error of 2.3 percentage points, Consultores 21 Vice President Saul Cabrera said today in a phone interview.
Most exciting elections in the hemisphere.
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Please drop the paternalist talking points and insulting me.
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