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Response to jody (Reply #71)

What does Socialism look like to you? [View all] Starry Messenger Nov 2012 OP
I like China's approach to socialism of limiting women to one baby and eventually using genetic jody Nov 2012 #1
China is Communist, which is more authoritarin than many varieties of Socialism are. nt patrice Nov 2012 #4
Still China is socialist and shame on you for trying to cherry-pick. nt jody Nov 2012 #6
& Shame on you for trying to turn a thread about Socialism into a whatever forum. Start patrice Nov 2012 #8
BS I responded to the OP. Are you ignorant of China's socialist policies to limit population and jody Nov 2012 #9
China =/= USA no matter how much you try. patrice Nov 2012 #11
Have a blissful evening and goodbye. nt jody Nov 2012 #14
Do you think all Republicans hate Obama? Same logic as the statement above. Weak. patrice Nov 2012 #26
On edit you added "it has more to do with autocracy". Don't you know that socialism requires a jody Nov 2012 #12
Don't you know that Socialism requires no such thing. You have just disqualified yourself patrice Nov 2012 #20
No, it doesn't, Jody. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Nov 2012 #52
This is a safe haven group for people who support socialism. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #15
I've read the cited post. Facts are still facts or are those banned also? nt jody Nov 2012 #18
I block posters who do not post in support of the SOP. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #19
I concede and understand your policy, your group allows only pro-red posts and bans "red-baiting" jody Nov 2012 #21
Thank you. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #23
It's an oversimplification to assume that the weight of any fact is the same in all situations, all patrice Nov 2012 #24
Ask Pol Pot and all the people in mass graves in Europe and Asia.. Systemshock212 Nov 2012 #42
Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were not communists or socialists. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #113
China's approach is decidedly capitalist. joshcryer Nov 2012 #84
Worker defined & governed Real Value in exchange for Real Value. The MOST efficient economic patrice Nov 2012 #2
Who determines "Real Value"? nt jody Nov 2012 #7
I like the definition that Adam Smith uses in The Wealth of Nations, in the simplist terms, patrice Nov 2012 #10
Precisely equivalent to Marx's Labor Theory of Value. Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #98
which has a long pedigree, including some classical economists. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #125
Superb rebuttal ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #114
Thanks! I'm about ready to give up on this place myself. nt patrice Jun 2013 #122
Don't give up. We need you and your insight. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #123
I don't mind people disagreeing with me; what I don't like is being mis-understood. patrice Jun 2013 #124
Worker-owned industries Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #3
+++1 patrice Nov 2012 #5
That's Malthusianism, not socialism. David__77 Nov 2012 #17
It's not JUST Maltusianism. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #25
Marx wasn't the only socialist. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #115
Of course. David__77 Jun 2013 #120
I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #121
Really? tjnite Feb 2013 #97
about nine letters Festivito Nov 2012 #13
It's far off in the future. David__77 Nov 2012 #16
I really hope it is not too far off. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #22
A different way to organize production while we destroy the planet NoOneMan Nov 2012 #27
Not a lot of optimism here today. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #29
I am sorry to disagree NoOneMan Nov 2012 #30
Capitalism as we know it (to avoid discussing ideological idealized definitions) tama Nov 2012 #32
Cuba's GDP has doubled in the last 10 years NoOneMan Nov 2012 #34
Well, I hate to be mom again- Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #35
Kropotkin, Tolstoi, Anarcho-Primitivism etc. Green Anarchism tama Nov 2012 #36
Basically, yes NoOneMan Nov 2012 #37
May your wish come true :) tama Nov 2012 #40
capitalism has a growth imperative. socialism doesn't. there's no requirement for growth in HiPointDem May 2013 #110
Odd how what appears to be "Libertarian" folk are AGAINST worker AUTONOMY, isn't it. Apparently patrice Nov 2012 #28
When I was living tama Nov 2012 #31
The way I see Socialism NickP Nov 2012 #33
More democracy, limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #38
I especially love the last item. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #39
Pigs tama Nov 2012 #41
Oddly enough this was all-women bosses. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #43
"More democracy" but do you support unalienable rights? If so which ones? nt jody Nov 2012 #44
Sure I love rights. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #45
Thanks, your "traditional liberties" aka natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable rights in jody Nov 2012 #46
True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #47
I still don't understand how those things you want to call "rights" can be shown to pre-exist our jody Nov 2012 #48
Why does it matter if something pre-exists the Constitution? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #49
Because such rights cannot be alienated, given away, however SCOTUS has offered opinions that allow jody Nov 2012 #50
Which kind of state of nature tama Nov 2012 #54
A state of nature is one without a social organization aka government. nt jody Nov 2012 #55
That only tells tama Nov 2012 #57
Apparently you and I have a different understanding of rights. My thoughts on the topic are at jody Nov 2012 #59
Precisely. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #117
How do you know which rights are inalienable and which one are not? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #66
Because some states declared them and it's up to state and federal courts to decide whether jody Nov 2012 #68
So you think rights are inalienable because they are declared in state constitutions? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #70
A right is either enumerated or unenumerated. Suggest you read the history of our Bill of Rights. nt jody Nov 2012 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #73
thanks for the tip limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #74
Please read jody Nov 2012 #75
What is your point in posting state constitutions? What point are you trying to make, if any? limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #76
You deleted the post to which I replied. nt jody Nov 2012 #77
My question exactly. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #118
The notion of unalianable rights tama Nov 2012 #79
Understand, please see link below. jody Nov 2012 #82
Perhaps you do tama Nov 2012 #83
Beautifully said. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #119
You are spewing the ideology of the Capitalist ruling class, not fact. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #92
I was wondering the same thing. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #116
They are naturally derived tama Nov 2012 #53
Natural, inherent, unalienable/inalienable rights pre-exist a community. nt jody Nov 2012 #56
Ah, tama Nov 2012 #58
No, I'm a Yellow Dog Democrat in the mould of Jefferson and Madison. Are you? nt jody Nov 2012 #60
Well, I'm not a slave owner. tama Nov 2012 #61
Why do you introduce slave owner? You do know that WA and CO just exercised nullification by making jody Nov 2012 #63
Because tama Nov 2012 #64
OK one major problem is a generation gap or perhaps two but we've had an interesting exchange. Have jody Nov 2012 #65
I'm closer to 50 :) tama Nov 2012 #67
I'm 77 and survived a near death experience via heart attack five years ago. Every morning I wake up jody Nov 2012 #69
Nice to know you tama Nov 2012 #72
The 10th amendment doesn't grant the right to nullifcation. white_wolf Nov 2012 #78
See DU thread jody Nov 2012 #80
Jefferson and Madison may have held that view... white_wolf Nov 2012 #81
Nullification per Jefferson&Madison is states exercising their Tenth Amendment power, see link below jody Dec 2012 #93
Starry Messenger I'm very disappointed that your OP has not triggered a spirited, intelligent jody Nov 2012 #51
I think we've had some interesting discussions though. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #62
An increased percentage of the mix as a transitional step along the path to our next plane TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #85
Great post, TheKentuckian. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #86
You're right about that, Starry. I'm on the edge of that propaganda effort myself. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #87
I haven't mentally gone that far into the future. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #88
Right again, no matter which way we go I've yet to catch a projection that they don't make worse. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #89
Bottom up and long term multigenerational development tama Dec 2012 #90
You're assuming that the ruling class has some investment in maintaining the lives of the HiPointDem May 2013 #111
An econonomy of co-ops. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #91
I envision the ideal socialism to be LeftTurnOnly Dec 2012 #94
What does socialism look like.... Oakenshield Jan 2013 #95
Message auto-removed Indoctrinated idiots Mar 2013 #99
Price controls and corporate abolition BudHardener Jan 2013 #96
The workers control the means of production - period. Taverner Mar 2013 #100
How is what you described not capitalism? David__77 Mar 2013 #101
In capitalism, the means of production are owned by an owner class Taverner Mar 2013 #102
Production LWolf Mar 2013 #103
Hey! Nice to see you. :) Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #104
It's what I've got. LWolf Mar 2013 #105
Ideally? It would be this Witan00 Apr 2013 #106
Great list Witan00. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #107
Socialism is the Public Library. Beer Swiller Apr 2013 #108
Libraries are great. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #109
Libraries are the crown jewel of socialism Kolesar Jun 2013 #126
I see what you see, but the 1% sees too many people comfortable with their lives and less profit Cleita Jun 2013 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #128
endless parades BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #129
After over a year I figured out how to frame what socialism looks like. joshcryer Dec 2013 #130
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #131
Please familiarize yourself with the rules of this group - TBF Dec 2013 #132
It is? Agschmid Dec 2013 #133
Capitalism is destroying Detroit, the city in your profile Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #134
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